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· Destroyer of Ignorance
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I know many people will argue about stopping power, hunting and effective range but let's gets practical. The reason for this post is not to debate the reasons for owning other calibers but rather to point out some REALLY important points for people new to "Armed prepping".

There are a ton of inexpensive, quality .22 LR rifles out there. You can have them set up to be tactical or appear as nothing more than a small game hunting rifle.

The ammo can be bought by the dump truck load for an amazingly low price. IMO, this may be the single most important feature of any gun when it comes to survival preperations. A .50 BMG rifle is great but who can afford to buy 100 rounds a month ($350)? That's a damned car payment! .22 LR is $20 per 1000 rounds and that's not some crappy no-name ammo. Part of the problem with "preparedness" is that you don't know when you're going to need your preps. People that are just getting started may feel that they can never reach a substantial level of preparedness in time to meet the need. Choosing the .22 LR caliber will allow them to quickly and affordably stockpile a substantial amount of ammo. You can't win a gunfight if you don't have any ammo.

The ammo is light and can be carried easily. With gas prices going up and down in HUGE swings, one thing is for certain ... we can't count on gasoline being available forever. Even if your BOV breaks down and you are forced to walk, you can be well stocked and somewhat light on your feet. Being light on your feet can be as important if not more so than being well armed.

A combatant doesn't ask what caliber you're shooting. If the mere sight of a gun isn't enough to scare them off, the sound of gunfire probably will. Even if they keep coming, the .22 LR round WILL kill a human being. It may not be the best tool for self defense but people commute to work in hyundai's even though a ferrari would get them there faster. The point is ... it may be small but it's still a gun and that's always better than a knife or a club.

My suggestion is to create a good stockpile of .22 LR ammo (10,000 - 25,000rounds) and then look for a larger caliber rifle to address the issues of effective range, stopping power and larger game hunting.
 

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Dang I lost what I was originally posting but here goes a second attempt!

In the context that you put it I totally agree with you for the most part. You logic makes a lot of sense and having a game plan when trying to prepare is a godsend.

Having a big stupid dollar mutant zombie zapper is great but if you aint got food or anything else then it doesnt do you a whole lot of good.

Just understand that while a 22 LR can be usefull, and it can kill a human, its not exactly renown as a fight stopper unless you can unload a round to the brain bucket and even then there are no guarentees. It did put Brady down but it didnt kill him and it was fired at near point blank on an unsuspecting target. Imagine the likelihood of a determined attacker.

I would highly recommend squirreling away about 12 plus bricks of ammo muy el pronto and get to work on something a little more substanial for defense. The price of ammo has risen considerably since the day I was buying 7.62 x 39 for a little over a buck for a 20 round box. Given the current incomming administration I dont see that changing anytime soon. If I started preping today I would most likely go the route your going now until I could get some more breathing room and upgrade.

I didnt get to where I am at in my preps over night, it took yeeeaaaars of work! But you do gotta start somewhere. Do what you can and cover as many of the bases as you can and as quickly as you can. It gets a lot easier after you have been working at it a while and arent so over whelmed with all you need.
 

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A combatant doesn't ask what caliber you're shooting. If the mere sight of a gun isn't enough to scare them off, the sound of gunfire probably will. Even if they keep coming, the .22 LR round WILL kill a human being. It may not be the best tool for self defense but people commute to work in hyundai's even though a ferrari would get them there faster. The point is ... it may be small but it's still a gun and that's always better than a knife or a club.
.22's a great round. And I'd DEFINATELY choose it over a pointy stick.

That said...

If you shoot your opponant with a .22 and he dies 3 days later...

That DOESN'T EXACTLY stop him from killing you now does it?
(Which atleast to me is THE point.)

If you haveto shoot, your not shooting to kill. Your shooting to END THE FIGHT (Cause then you don't get shot)

Shoot to STOP.

.22 sucks at this.
 

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full auto

this is what you need if you have a .22

Not to use or make now but for later when the BATF has gone away.
Something like a lightning link kit so it is easy to convert when and if the need arises but semiauto legal now too. Anyone watch the American 180 videos on Youtube? Simply amazing. Jawdropping, I'd say. Watch the guy unload a 275 round drum. And no recoil. That's only $7 worth of ammo, but the affect on anyone at close range would be worth a lot more than $7 worth of .223.

I am not advocating illegal conversions. Now is not the time. But simply stockpiling a few springs, gun parts and cut(but unbent) pieces of metal and some diagrams might be useful.

 

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I won't hold my breath on it either. Fullauto has limited use in survival situations. Very limited. Besides, ammo ain't cheap unless Uncle Sam is buying.
Nevertheless, If you are someday fending off enough people that you need 275 rounds at a pop I don't think the BATF is going to be around to slap you on the wrist afterwards. Perhaps Michael Mann will use this gun in Heat 2.
 

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Every gun has it's place but from what I've read and heard a 10/22 ruger short barrel with folding or sawn off stock and sound suppresor and 50 round clips in a SHTF scenario would be an exceptional choice. This is the next gun I plan on buying actually, was gonna get a simple bolt action, but then seriously in a shtf gunfight? In the terrain I live in of thick forrests 100 yards is about as far as you can see anyway. Portablility, some concealment, extremely low recoil, and possibly near total noise reduction are highly underestimated bonuses imo, of course they are cheap can't forget that, even a lowely burger flipper can afford one of these zombie slayers and stockpile thousands of rounds of ammo. The lorcin 22 pistol is also the most often found murder weapon at crime scenes in america last I heard, if it's good enough for killers, well.
 

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A main highlight of my long-term survival kit includes a quick-swap .22LR conversion for my AR. Good for small game, accuracy is reported to be very good, and due to it being in an AR platform, it can have fancy optics, etc. for practical defense, if necessary.

I BO plan involves the stockpiling of several thousand rounds, and on top of that, several thousand of .22LR alone. It's a handy little round, to be sure
 

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I love my .22
In fact, I want to get another.

I would feel very safe with a .22 in hand and intruder in my house.
10 rd magazine. I have 10 shots to stop them. If I cant do that, then I deserve to have my house broken into.
 
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