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Go Forward With Courage.
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I don't take the jab because I have thought for decades it is pure unmitigated poison with toxic ingredients that end up in the muscles and organs. It contains more Mercury than the EPA says is safe for exposure so a yearly shot compounds that unhealthy exposure to a toxin far more serious than a flu bug. That said...

160,000 Flu Shots Recalled - Particles Floating In Vials!

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The vaccine manufacturing company Novartis has recently made the news this time with the recall of 160,000 dosages of the Agrippal influenza flu vaccination in both the United Kingdom and Italy. The recall was due to ‘particles seen floating in the vials.’

The particles were later determined to be protein aggregates. When researching protein aggregates we soon find that they are not only dangers as misfolded proteins, but they are also toxic and linked to amyloidal diseases such as Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s and diseases related to prions.

These 160,000 doses of Agrippal were so saturated with protein aggregates that they were visible to the naked eye as floating particulate matter. These toxic injections are referred to as ‘hot batches’ meaning they are concentrated dosages of viral components that have clumped together in a bolus of immune system shocking protein aggregates".

Read more-http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/160000-flu-shots-recalled-particles.html

I'm almost positive that Big Pharma lying Trolls will be out in force mere moments after this posting.
So let me hammer the beggars some more!
 

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One is nuts, if they take it. They get the strain wrong every single year too. (on top of the heavy metal poisons)

"hi, you were afraid to feel a bit ill, or have to have your immune system do work, instead you'll get that anyway, and Alzheimer's at 70"

I feel bad for our healthcare workers. My brothers wife is a nurse. She HAS to take it. : /
 

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Go Forward With Courage.
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One is nuts, if they take it. They get the strain wrong every single year too. (on top of the heavy metal poisons)

"hi, you were afraid to feel a bit ill, or have to have your immune system do work, instead you'll get that anyway, and Alzheimer's at 70"

I feel bad for our healthcare workers. My brothers wife is a nurse. She HAS to take it. : /
Our Medical System is evil and criminal.
 

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I havent gotten one since I turned 18. I get those free vouchers from my health insurance every year to.
I think I had the flu once, for about 24hrs. I have a beast of a immune system, whatever I get is usually gone in a day. The usual "24hr bugs" last about 6 hrs for me :thumb:
 

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I've never had a flu shot. I don't believe anyone in my family ever had. We were all immunized against the killers like polio and whooping cough. You would be a fool not to. Anyone like me who has lived around the world has seen what horrible consequences major diseases have. But for a bad cold? No thanks. My vet said the main non accident cause of early death in dogs is too many immuniztions. I got mine a rabies shot every 5 years. She was 18 when she died, never went to the vet for an illness.
 

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Haven't seen that but heard warnings about the GSK vaccine. Checked it out and they don't use it here or the Novartis one. The flu shot I had was made by Sanofi. And seems like I'm still alive.
 

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I feel bad for our healthcare workers. My brothers wife is a nurse. She HAS to take it. : /
Kind of weird we have more freedom over here in commie Scandinavia. No health care workers are forced to have vaccinations. Actually, even getting the shot for free, more than half opt out.
 

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I've never had a flu shot. I don't believe anyone in my family ever had. We were all immunized against the killers like polio and whooping cough. You would be a fool not to. Anyone like me who has lived around the world has seen what horrible consequences major diseases have. But for a bad cold? No thanks.
Kind of close to my attitude. Those against all vaccines often deny some illnesses are really serious. People who are healthy and don't tend to get the flu really don't need the shot. Since you don't really get any heard immunity with flu, it only makes sense to vaccinate those who don't tolerate getting flu.
 

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I'll take my chances without them.......

I don't take the jab because I have thought for decades it is pure unmitigated poison with toxic ingredients that end up in the muscles and organs. It contains more Mercury than the EPA says is safe for exposure so a yearly shot compounds that unhealthy exposure to a toxin far more serious than a flu bug. That said...

160,000 Flu Shots Recalled - Particles Floating In Vials!

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The vaccine manufacturing company Novartis has recently made the news this time with the recall of 160,000 dosages of the Agrippal influenza flu vaccination in both the United Kingdom and Italy. The recall was due to ‘particles seen floating in the vials.’

The particles were later determined to be protein aggregates. When researching protein aggregates we soon find that they are not only dangers as misfolded proteins, but they are also toxic and linked to amyloidal diseases such as Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s and diseases related to prions.

These 160,000 doses of Agrippal were so saturated with protein aggregates that they were visible to the naked eye as floating particulate matter. These toxic injections are referred to as ‘hot batches’ meaning they are concentrated dosages of viral components that have clumped together in a bolus of immune system shocking protein aggregates".

Read more-http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/160000-flu-shots-recalled-particles.html

I'm almost positive that Big Pharma lying Trolls will be out in force mere moments after this posting.
So let me hammer the beggars some more!
I used to get the flu regularly all thru 1-12th grade. But I've been out of school since 1977 and I guess that I've had the flu maybe 6-7 times in the last 35 years. (Thank the Lord!) That's without ANY flu shots.

I don't get flu shots, don't believe in them, don't trust them and I wouldn't want any of my family to get them, which thankfully, they don't.

Now, I ain't no scientist but I CAN work a Google. Here's something that I found, can't understand hardly at all, but I did pick up that the things mentioned in post #1 that were in the vaccination were called "Infectious".

http://www.pnas.org/content/99/11/7402.full

No thank you.
 

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I am required to have one due to job. I did, however, say that I would only get one if it was the individual dose. These do not contain mercury.

At least I didn't get the mercury. :xeye:
 

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Eat healthy, drink REAL juices infused with natural vitamins,exercise daily, CLEAN YOUR HANDS CONSTANTLY AND STAY CLEAN ALL AROUND and the flu usually stays away from you. If you do catch something it's mostly mild in nature when your body is not acting as a reservoir for dangerous microbes. Don't touch things and then the same hand goes to itch your face seconds later!

I am not suggesting you develop a complex and remove entire epidermis layers just that when staying clean sickness of all kinds have a much less chance of taking hold within the immune system.

To hell with the Flu shot unless a well paying job requires it. Modern "medicine" is not always the best avenue to approach a mild cold. Viruses, disease, etc have made significant comebacks in the industrialized West because prescriptions are sought for the slightest ailment.

And of course stay away from coughing people that like to meander about in public places. Public bathrooms are always highly unsanitary at all times. Actually a lot of US private practices and hospitals are more disgusting than you first realize.

Simple things starting with hands being clean will keep you ahead.
 

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I had the flu shot back in 2004 got the flu and almost died. I have not taken one since and I have not had the flu since.
As far as I am concerned they can keep their flu shots...Even at the VA hospital that I go to, they are backing off making people take the flu shot. They offer it, but don't push it. I think that says something.
 

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Influenza is not a mild cold. Most who get it are miserable for a week or more. It can be lethal, especially to the very old, the very young and the immunocompromised.

You get a mild case of the flu, don't feel completely under and head on down to the grocery store. Or go to work. Or school. Or take care of a baby. You then pass it on to someone who isn't as healthy as a horse and who is in a group for whom the vaccination does no good. They become gravely ill, maybe die. Well done!

All this story tells us is:
A) Nothing is perfect.
B) Quality control inspectors caught the problem
C) Novartis is taking it in the shorts for this
D) Flu vaccine will be in a bit shorter supply this year

Just a little bit more research (not undertaken by the breathless doomsayers) and we find that the flu vaccine (most viral vaccines really) consists of particles of the viral protein coat. The body sees these particles as invaders and produces antibodies to them. This information is stored in the body's permanent records of "foreign agents we have seen and this is how we fight them". Should the actual virus show up it can be immediately quashed (since the part the body attacks is the viral coat after all) without it taking several days to figure out what to do.

As it tuns out, the visible particles are just clumpings together of these much smaller viral particles. They are in no way related to prions. Nobody has reported any harm from these Novartis vaccinations. While they may have reduced efficacy there are no apparent safety issues. In an abundance of caution various governmental entities have blocked the continued use of these Novartis products pending study. Exactly what I would expect them to do.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/10/27/novartis-vaccines.html

The reason why these clumped particles are less effective is simple geometry. A hundred individual particles offer far more surface area for antibodies to bind to than if they are stuck together in a ball. There is LESS immune response to the clump which eventually gets filtered out and excreted.

As far as "mercury" is concerned there hasn't been any children's vaccine with "mercury" (actually thiomerisol) in use since 2004. This is despite no actual evidence that Thiomerisol (which isn't mercury or methyl mercury, it is a compound that contains mercury and is used as a preservative) in the fantastically small amounts found in a vaccine have the slightest effect on anyone.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/

Just another example of hysteria driving a good product off the market thru the judicious application of junk science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy
 

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OK in all seriousness, I don't get vaccinated for the above reasons. My doctor said I don't know what I'm talking about. That was the last time he treated me, about six years ago. Now I'm going to give everyone a big tip.

If you have any respiratory tract infection, instead of coughing by momentarily closing the upper airway and expelling bad things twelve feet out into the living spaces of your family, try this technique. Periodically coughing low, from your diaphragm, while keeping your throat completely relaxed and your mouth covered. This will maintain the airway much better, a primary benefit. Equally important, it prevents the formation of edema in the upper respiratory tract that causes complications, especially secondary infections due to unnecessary inflammation in soft tissue. Inflammation can restrict the airways and induce laryngeal spasms. Better still, an open airway means improved ventilation and cooling of the body core, and can minimize the repetitive occurrence of fever. Fevers kill.

BTW A good sign that you have mastered the technique is the snapping sound made by flipping of the epiglottis, the cap which covers the airway and prevents aspiration of food and drink during the act of swallowing.
 
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