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Old 08-19-2019, 03:18 PM
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So, looking for advice on face masks for the family. I am not looking at nbc, but more for debris and germs. Massive flu pandemic or dust amd debris. I was looking at some full face filtration for myself and the family. Possible some 3m i have seen from when i worked oil field. But, as we are all one a budget, i want to find something for a manmade shtf for air filtration. Many thanks to those that post suggestions. Most i found were for NBC. Thanks.
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Filter insert is replaceable and there is different types to choose from. Some patterns look like you would be wearing a bandana on your face (won't scare people so easily).
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3M 6200 half face mask with pink P-100 filters. is the budget option. Add goggles if eye protection is needed.

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Respirator...6168&s=gateway


Or same filters on a 3M 6000 full face mask. They have tear away transparent film you can apply to the vision area to restore visibility in heavy fouling like from a volcano, without scratching the lens.

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Remediatio...gateway&sr=8-4

50 pair of P-100 filters

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Particulat...%2C167&sr=8-16

or for organic vapors the 2097 filters
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00328IAO0...dDbGljaz10cnVl
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I actually have 2 of those half face masks with a few packs of the P100 filters along with some 3m 6002 filter cartridges. They are a feel years old, and stored in a simple plastic bag. Remnants of a job from a few years ago. I was thinking about building off what I have. Although I want full face masks, these should do fairly well.

Yeah, if WWIII starts with nukes and the rest of NBC, I would be screwed, but I cannot help but think that perhaps any kind of collapse in the U.S. and we would have certain types of people (criminal) who would cause mayhem, burning inappropriate things and such. That is why I am interested in some respiration protection.
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For pandemic and particulate itís hard to be more cost effective than the ubiquitous N-95 mask for any number of suppliers. I recommend finding a place to. Get fit tested, though 99% wear- or can wear- a medium 3M unit.


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The problem with the disposable masks is they donít protect your eyes and their fit is terrible. Iíd never use one in a pandemic situation. If you even suspect infectious aerosol production (sneezing and projectile vomit) you should be reaching for a full-face respirator and P100 filters. N95 is better than nothing, but you have to be very careful and conscious about how the mask is sealing at all times. If you doubt me, try a qualitative fit test on a disposable N95 (with an odorant) while youíre doing something more than standing or sitting... or for longer than 5 minutes.
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I think it is better to think in terms of CBRN masks with standard 40mm filter. One can get a very good mask for about $100 plus filters. For debris and such one needs to have full face industrial respirator. The price is about the same as CBRN but much flimsier construction. Do not mix these two types, use them as intended. CBRN may save your life under many scenarios but it would clog in no type with dust.
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For germ protection, you absolutely need a mask with a seal all around your face and working valves for inlet and discharge. These valves need to be cleaned with each use, or they will stick open or shut and not work right.

Thos disposable masks should either be illegal or have a black label warning label on them like cigarettes do.
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The problem with the disposable masks is they donít protect your eyes and their fit is terrible. Iíd never use one in a pandemic situation. If you even suspect infectious aerosol production (sneezing and projectile vomit) you should be reaching for a full-face respirator and P100 filters. N95 is better than nothing, but you have to be very careful and conscious about how the mask is sealing at all times. If you doubt me, try a qualitative fit test on a disposable N95 (with an odorant) while youíre doing something more than standing or sitting... or for longer than 5 minutes.
I do the extended fit test every year, and every year it passes just fine. Sometimes with odorant and sometimes with computer pressure sensors.

FWIW, I do agree that they are inferior to a quality respirator but STRONGLY disagree they are junk. They are a cost effective solution for short to moderate lengths of wear. In fact, if you get some of the foldable ones they make perfect glovebox pandemic masks.
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I do the extended fit test every year, and every year it passes just fine. Sometimes with odorant and sometimes with computer pressure sensors.

FWIW, I do agree that they are inferior to a quality respirator but STRONGLY disagree they are junk. They are a cost effective solution for short to moderate lengths of wear. In fact, if you get some of the foldable ones they make perfect glovebox pandemic masks.
The disposable masks ARE junk! There are reasons for that: the fit is bad etc., but there is even worse things about them. Every time one exhales the seal breaks and one exposes himself to outside air. So, if one needs a disposable he should buy a disposable respirator. The fit is better and there is a valve, so a seal remains. They cost 1 or 2 bucks when bougth online in some quantity (10 at least).
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I do the extended fit test every year, and every year it passes just fine. Sometimes with odorant and sometimes with computer pressure sensors.

FWIW, I do agree that they are inferior to a quality respirator but STRONGLY disagree they are junk. They are a cost effective solution for short to moderate lengths of wear. In fact, if you get some of the foldable ones they make perfect glovebox pandemic masks.
I do a quantitative (electronic humidity/particulate differential) every year for SCBA and N95. The only way I pass with N95 is if I'm extremely careful about how I move my head, jaw, and mouth. Nearly everyone who's being tested along with me has to do the same. So, trust them if you want, but they're junk for aerosols in my book. FWIW... our SOP is to use our SCBA masks with P100 adapters for Ebola/Pandemic/Bio events. N95 is NOT sufficient.
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3M .
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I have Wilson and Scott also. They are as good as 3M .
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For pandemic and particulate itís hard to be more cost effective than the ubiquitous N-95 mask for any number of suppliers. I recommend finding a place to. Get fit tested, though 99% wear- or can wear- a medium 3M unit.


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Size and shape for a good fit are a must; and you fit test only with appropriate device (at least a hood and banana oil or so). You must be aware that the threats/hazards asks for different filters and masks, as well, and that it is far more difficult to find something for young children (they do exist, but are expensive). On low budget, full face, China makes good ones, from a copy of the russina GP5 (but with normalized thread) to copies or original models. check on a reliable site of a brand /seller for industry, firefighters, miners etc., not the bay (the worst quality there most of time)
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Old 09-25-2019, 10:05 AM
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For germ protection, you absolutely need a mask with a seal all around your face and working valves for inlet and discharge. These valves need to be cleaned with each use, or they will stick open or shut and not work right.

Thos disposable masks should either be illegal or have a black label warning label on them like cigarettes do.
I have training in these kind of equipment (bottled supplied air mask) because of my former job. Unless you are cleanly shaved the seal is not going to be made.

Sorry for those huge, bearded, bad a$$ fellows. But this is the one thing that makes me happy to NOT have lots of face hair.

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