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Saudi Arabia Murders Citizen?

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#1 ·
It looks like the Saudi's murdered a reporter that was critical of their crown prince in their own embassy.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/saudi-ruler-ordered-detention-of-missing-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-report-says

Talk about a brazen act. They have to know Turkey's agents film and log everyone going in and out of the embassy. The guy went in and never came out. Much less the security cameras inside were not working that day. Or the fact that they had all the Turkish start stay home that day at the ambassador's resident. This one is going to cause a stink.
 
#3 ·
You should see what they do to gay people, or Christians.

It is perfectly acceptable to rape a Christian woman, or kill her husband, for 'apostasy".

Not to mention what they do to their little girls. :mad:

They are wealthy, but very corrupt.
 
#14 ·
No a leftist utopia.

All authoritarianism is on the big government left. The Right is small government and to the extreme right anarchy which is no government. The further you go right the less government you have, and it's not enough government to inflict a tyranny.
The further you go left the more powerful state and it centralises into one hand usually.

Absolute monarchy = Leftist
Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Franco = Leftist
Isis theocratic dictatorship = Leftist

All tyranny comes from the leftist statists.

What the far Right really looks like.



 
#7 ·
Just wondering why the Turkish govt. is concerned all the sudden about a possible assassination when they do these things pretty regular. I have a niggling feeling that they are trying to put a wedge between the US and SA. They are no Saints and do some pretty underhanded things, but they are the one of the few Arab friends we have.
The whole weapons deal is a real concern for me - I would hate for us to lose those jobs that would go away if we sanctioned them prematurely.

This whole thing stinks and I'm not sure what to make of it.
 
#43 ·
They are no Saints and do some pretty underhanded things, but they are the one of the few Arab friends we have.
I lived in Riyadh. They are NOT our friend. Not in the least. They are our biggest threat in the middle east. They just happen to be the most greedy country in the middle east, so they try to play nice with our gov.

Our only friend in the middle east is Kuwait
 
#15 ·
I think the political backlash from this action is just simmering. We might be forced to take some kinda of sanction because of it. The 12 billion dollar weapons deal for example is why we should care. All because they took a such bold killing. They couldn't just do a assassinate him in a way that left them some kinda of plausible deniability. The world turns a blind eye quickly to an reporter murder in a mugging or robbery. Not so much a killing done in a foriegn country, in an embassy, where their is some video evidence. Also some source in turkey says there is a video of the murder that was made. I havent seen it reported anywhere else though
 
#28 ·
None of that is right. Authoritarianism is not on the Left-Right Spectrum but a spectrum of its own, Authoritarian-Libertarian.
Ok, for the non thinkers out there.

The relationship between the Left and Right is lineal not a quadrant. There's Left annnnnnnnnd Right. The quadrant was a slight of hand to distract from the fact that the big government communists and big government fascists where both leftist statists.
Hitler and Stalin were both big government socialists with cradle to grave welfare, centralised and controlled education and bureaucracy governing everyone's life, how they thought, ate, slept and crapped.

Nothing about the Marxist socialists or hitlers national socialists was on the Right

The Left is big government statist collectivist or fascist. Big government is authoritarian, all the authority is centralised. The only difference between Hilter and Stalin was that the Germans made the means of production a matter for private companies, whereas Stalin had the inefficient state run companies as a means of production.

We have not seen a true Rightwight arrangement anywhere on earth with exception of America's founding times.

Rightwing means less government and more personal liberty and personal responsibility to take the place of government.

Hilter wasn't limited government, he had massive centralised collectivised state control of everything, even those private companies had to cow to every political dogma. There was no personal liberty or personal responsibility, the ministry of propaganda told you how to think, and individualists were shot in the back of the head. Everyone looked to the state in that socialist love fest.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Isis are all creatures of leftist, statist mordor.

The Shire of the Hobbits best represents very limited government, where personal liberty and responsibility shines and blooms. You brew your own ale and grow your longbottom leaf, come and go as you please and none would contest your right to do so.

Libertarians are far right, it is the least government around, highest personal liberty, least laws and least taxation. Hitler was none of that, he was a hard leftist socialist.

Hobbits vote conservatarian.
 
#55 ·
Fascism

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[6] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]
For Nazism, see the point given in my earlier post.

From Libertarianism:

Traditionally, libertarianism was a term for a form of left-wing politics; such left-libertarian ideologies seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.[6][7][8][9] In the United States, modern right-libertarian ideologies, such as minarchism and anarcho-capitalism, co-opted the term in the mid-20th century to instead advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights, such as in land, infrastructure, and natural resources.[10][11][12]
 
#29 ·
Saudi Arabia is generally populated by Wahhabi tribes. That means it's not just conservative but ultraconservative.
They are only conservative in the sense that Stalin was conservative, conserving centralised statist power. Every dictator is conservative in that sense, but they are not conservative or libertarian on the political scale, they are nowhere near the limited government and personal liberty of the right.

Left = centralised power and authority of the state and Right = dececentralised power and authority right down to the individual.

Why do conservatives and libertarians constantly strive for " limited government " and want the " government to say out of our lives ".
 
#56 ·
They are conservative because they are Islamic fundamentalists.

Both left and right have centralized or decentralized power. See my previous post for examples.

There are also different types of conservatives and libertarians, and they may call for limited government or the opposite.
 
#30 ·
While I will agree that statism can happen on either side of the political fence
No it can't, it can only happen on the Left. The further you go Right the less state control there is until you arrive at anarchy which is no government.

How does a small government libertarian inflict state control over you, assuming he wanted to. His desire to do so would nullify his libertarian name, it's a contradiction. He doesn't want control over others, he just wants to be left alone and in his turn leaves others alone.

Tyranny always comes from the left, always has, and always will.
 
#38 ·
It takes a long time to establish a habit. Keep trying. Eventually you'll get really good at seeing him win.

That whole Kavanaugh thing was pretty awesome, eh?

Anyhow, my company has interests in the middle east and asia. The wealthy in this country pay the lion's share of the taxes. We're not going to fund the military and then let them take an isolationist posture as our interests go to **** abroad.
 
#49 ·
Exactly nothing more than selective moral outrage from the establishment turd eaters , these establishment bootlickers are more excited about a dead Thursday but pirate globalist reporter than they ever were about ISIS slaughtering untold thousands of Christians or Chicoms slaughtering hundreds of thousands if not millions of Chinese wanting freedom at Tianamein Square. JMHO and S/FI!
 
#60 · (Edited)
The Iranians would like to give them one... but of course they'd be dropping it on them...

I'm on the fence about this whole thing. While it sounds like it was a horrendous ending, personally IDGAF about some Saudi citizen who gets offed in another country.

And, if you think about it, he was/is a Saudi citizen. He knew he was persona non grata because of his statements against MbS. It's not like SA suddenly has some sort of freedom of the press... not the best, but it's an established fact. Everyone knows this, you're kidding yourself if you think you're immune form it.

YET, he decides to visit the Saudi consulate in Turkey.
Consulates are sovereign territory. Basically he went, on his own accord, to SA.
He knew he had an issue, he knew the Consulate was sovereign territory. Everyone knows that SA tortures and executes prisoners... that's not news.

Not blaming him, but he put himself in the situation. He rolled the dice and came up craps I guess...
Sucks for his family and friends. I imagine it sucked a lot for him for a while too.
BUT... what another country does with their citizens, on their own soil, is not reason to end a diplomatic and strategic relationship.

Should we complain? Sure, lodge a formal complaint. But at the end of the day it is what it is. The press should deal with it. (though I know they're only really concerned because this guy was a reporter.)
 
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