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Old 02-04-2018, 07:44 PM
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One often hears the term "martial law", and that it would be applied in a SHTF.

Exactly what would happen if martial would be declared?

Who has the power to declare it...

Is it regional, or national....

How long would it last...

How would ordinary civilians find it different from the "normal" law....

In a martial law situation, what is the role of "ordinary" civilian law enforcement (police, sheriffs, etc.)...

Do civilians become powerless....do we lose all Constitutional rights...

What would be the implications of martial law for us as preppers....

What happens to those of us who have guns.....


Just curious about this....





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Curfews might be a problem. We work very early in the morning.

I doubt we would have a lot of problems, personally, because we are Federal vendors and would have some protection.

Bag searches might be a problem.
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One often hears the term "martial law", and that it would be applied in a SHTF.

Exactly what would happen if martial would be declared?

Who has the power to declare it...

Is it regional, or national....

How long would it last...

How would ordinary civilians find it different from the "normal" law....

In a martial law situation, what is the role of "ordinary" civilian law enforcement (police, sheriffs, etc.)...

Do civilians become powerless....do we lose all Constitutional rights...

What would be the implications of martial law for us as preppers....

What happens to those of us who have guns.....


Just curious about this....




If the Deep State remains faithless to the Constitution, and Trump decides to remedy that state of affairs, we may very well find out.
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Historically, the right wing has been much less interested in accumulating power unto themselves than the left.
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I don't see much happening on a local level except maybe curfews unless you live in a big city, but I do think that there would be extreme travel restrictions. Possibly no air travel and very tight rail, bus and auto checkpoints where you would have to show ID.

I don't foresee any door to door searches for weapons because there just aren't enough willing officers to conduct them. Even if there were, they are majorly out gunned.
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All good questions that I don't have an answer to. However, look at New Orleans after Katrina for a possible example, minus the flooding..
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Martial Law would result in an all out shooting war.
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A scenario; civil law could be suspended and armed military troops in the streets. Travel limitations, curfew, no gatherings, possible rationing if it lasts very long.

In the worst case it would mean the end of a representative government and freedom for who knows how long. Research history of countries that have been taken over by dictators and you will frequently find martial law used in the process. Not easy to get back to where they were before.

You might think that "we don't have to worry if it happens" because the "good guys" will be in charge but you can never predict what will happen at the top when someone get that kind of power.
"I know how to fix these problems better than anyone else" so I'll just keep power until everything is fixed.
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When a governmental body declares martial law that's a signal that it has lost control. By then the cops have bugged out and what passes for authority just wants to start giving orders that it can't enforced. The whole concept is predicated on fear of authority that doesn't exist.
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Probably depend where you live. In my county I know for a fact we can have as little as a dozen Sheriff deputies covering the whole county.

Even with the full cooperation of all available forces, national guard, police, military it would be very difficult to enforce strict laws. Cities would be much easier to control with road blocks, media, utilities etc.
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Probably depend where you live. In my county I know for a fact we can have as little as a dozen Sheriff deputies covering the whole county.

Even with the full cooperation of all available forces, national guard, police, military it would be very difficult to enforce strict laws. Cities would be much easier to control with road blocks, media, utilities etc.
Very hard? When disobedience means you get shot, i think it becomes a lot easier. For those in control anyway, for the citizens it just means that you can get shot for looking at someone in the wrong way, or saying the "wrong" thing.
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Think about the logistics of such an endeavor here in the US ,cities maybe,the rural areas ,you can hang that up. It would be enforceable in small important areas,airports,hospitals etc. Obviously anything to do with military. Most ports of entry.

Not the scary boogeyman it’s made out to be from what I understand now.

Even assuming 100% participation from all LEO agencies and our armed forces it is still not enforceable in a broad sense.

If anyone else has an opposing view we need to hear it.

Just my opinion.
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SB Members trying to envision martial law is more common that AR vs AK debates on gun forums.

We have driven this topic deep into the ground many times.

Nothing new will be said here that you can't find in 50 threads on the topic found with search here.

America is just too big. There can be no nationwide martial law. It took most of our serving active military a decade to badly control a nation the size of Texas. It might take every man in uniform across the globe in every nation to get enough realistic coverage to enforce martial law in the US.

Just putting one lone US military vehicle at every interstate highway intersection is beyond our military capability. State highways and surface streets make even attempting to control the interstate impossible.

Finally you have our system of county sheriffs that have no allegiance to anyone but local voters. Even state governors have very limited control over county sheriffs. What elected sheriff is going to go against his voter base? Unless the feds could promise him a fiefdom for life there is no upside, because the moment martial law ends that sheriff become a target for political anger. That he's not reelected is the very best outcome the sheriff could hope for. If the locals say no to martial law then the county deputies will be helping man the barricades to keep the feds out.

Sure, the feds could lock down a big city or a small state, but that's the limit.

The only way the feds could get away with national martial law is if the general citizenry actually wants it.

Time to put this often repeated SB meme back to bed.
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SB Members trying to envision martial law is more common that AR vs AK debates on gun forums.

We have driven this topic deep into the ground many times.

Nothing new will be said here that you can't find in 50 threads on the topic found with search here.

America is just too big. There can be no nationwide martial law. It took most of our serving active military a decade to badly control a nation the size of Texas. It might take every man in uniform across the globe in every nation to get enough realistic coverage to enforce martial law in the US.

Just putting one lone US military vehicle at every interstate highway intersection is beyond our military capability. State highways and surface streets make even attempting to control the interstate impossible.

Finally you have our system of county sheriffs that have no allegiance to anyone but local voters. Even state governors have very limited control over county sheriffs. What elected sheriff is going to go against his voter base? Unless the feds could promise him a fiefdom for life there is no upside, because the moment martial law ends that sheriff become a target for political anger. That he's not reelected is the very best outcome the sheriff could hope for. If the locals say no to martial law then the county deputies will be helping man the barricades to keep the feds out.

Sure, the feds could lock down a big city or a small state, but that's the limit.

The only way the feds could get away with national martial law is if the general citizenry actually wants it.

Time to put this often repeated SB meme back to bed.
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Someone is going to pop in here and say,”Well what about the UN”?

Same thing as above.
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One thing is for sure in a martial law situation is that most people will be more on their own than without martial law. The forces required will be drawn back to an enforceable position and thats it. There are far more personnel in support roles,leo and military vs combat and or front line roles. Then there are 12 hour shifts too. Nationwide martial law will never pencil out.
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Very hard? When disobedience means you get shot, i think it becomes a lot easier. For those in control anyway, for the citizens it just means that you can get shot for looking at someone in the wrong way, or saying the "wrong" thing.
This is why PatriotAmerican said it would lead to a shooting war. Some are not going to stand by and be trampled on.
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One tiny little caveat,take our guns away and we all hang.
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Someone is going to pop in here and say,”Well what about the UN”?

Same thing as above.
Only worse. The UN lists only 110,000 total peacekeepers. Smaller than any of our national armed forces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...N_peacekeepers

Look at where most come from. As if anyone thinks a force of Ethiopians and Bangladeshis is up to herding well armed US citizens.

Most UN troops are essentially involuntary mercs. Sent by their host nation to collect UN money and military gear for their home nation.

There are millions of US vets out of the military that are more qualified to fight than the peacekeepers. If anything the UN troops will end up being a handy supply house for local insurgents.

Drop every last UN troop into Los Angeles and they would become dog food within a couple days if they left their fortified compounds. I suspect if UN forces were told they were going to pacify America there would be a wholesale mutiny and the peacekeeping force would cease to exist.

Honestly, the Boy Scouts of America could do a better pacification job in the US than the UN could.
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