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Old 09-18-2010, 08:05 PM
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See that is where you are I differ. I have morals, you obviously don't. .
There you are wrong. However, I have lived through the kind of howling anarchy you are trying to wrap your head around. You do not know what
I know about the times of absolute chaos, and appropriate responses to
such conditions. I've been there, I've done that, and I am still alive. I
wonder if you will be "when the hard times come?"
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Sure you have. What you have not lived through is your judgment. I would rather die, then to commit murder.

The sad thing is that so many so called survivalists sing your Rambo tune. I almost think the globalists encourage the attitude. If we do not maintain civil cohesion, whatever they are planning will be successful. Each one of us standing alone and trying to kill all that come near will fail. Our strength is in our numbers and those numbers are only an advantage if we work as a group.
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.... I would rather die, then to commit murder....
I hope you can live with your hesitations then. I will, however, no longer bother listening to you. On the other board they have an ignore button. I do not find one here, but I feel no further need to listen to you.
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For a black ops guy, you sure are a sensitive type.

I do pity you. You can supposedly handle taking a life without any real justification, but need an ignore button to handle the banter on a forum. My Lady doest protest too much.
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Im a big fan of M1 garands and 1903's in 30-06. If I had a bunch of commercial 30-06 sitting around i would find a sporterized 1903 for around 200 bucks, put a decent scope on it and be pretty happy with the set up.
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M1 Garand would be my first choice. The iron sights are great. I really don't think you'd need a scope for it, but that's a personal preference.

My Dad carried one in the 50s. Pretty funny. We'll go shooting and he will shoot one of my ARs or some other rifle. The response is always the same. "Not bad, but there's only one real rifle...the M1 Garand" and the he just smiles.
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I have a 742 in 30-06 as my truck gun. I had a few bugs until I broke it down and throughly cleaned it with mother's and polished the internals. Good gun now. Mine is the carbine lenght too.
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Thanks again, everybody. Got more ideas than I expected about what I can do here. To answer SeekHer, I've got a bit more than 1000 rounds ---- I think about 1100 --- of 30-06, and they're all hunting expanding rounds. Never shot a FMJ military round thru it.
I would find a good Savage 30-06. Otherwise, realize you are probably sitting on $1500 of 30-06. If it's boxed ammo you could start selling it off on www.gunbroker.com
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M1 Garand is awesome....
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I'm a newbie and have learned a TON from you all so far. So, thanks. My question is, I have alot of stockpiled 30-06 ammo, and thus feel like I am pretty committed to that as the caliber for the large-game-hunting/battle rifle(s) part of my survival gun arsenal. I so far have a Remington 742 30-06 which I like for the most part, but which I also don't have complete confidence in b/c it will sometimes fail to feed (with both the factory 4 round mags and 10 round Triple K mags). I have it at a good gunsmith now, hoping to increase reliability, but am assuming (from this forum and others) that the 742 will never be completely reliable. So, I am looking for your advice on what would be the best 30-06 rifles for me to consider next. Since I'd want it to double as both hunting and battle rifle (a compromise, I know), I assume we're talking about semiautos. In reading alot of the threads here, I've wondered of course about the M1 Garand --- but then concerned about that it is hard to put a scope on them (no?). Wondered about the Browning BAR, but sounds like mag capacity maxes out at 4 --- have any of you succeeded in getting those 6 round factory mags? Maybe they make BAR higher capacity mags, and I just don't know about it? Or, are there other good ones that you guys like and can be relied on?
Or, maybe you're all going to tell me I need to move over to .308, because the options are so much better or more numerous on that side of the fence.
Either way, thanks for the help!

OK the 30/06 is a very old round that never seems to die, why because it works. It is fairly flat has good power and comes in many varieties so tailoring it to your needs is easy.
If you can keep everything fed with 3006 then why not stick to it. Especially if you reload.
The 308 is a great round it is more of a improved 30/06.

I would not change. If it's not broke why fix it
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I would not worry about using either a .308 or 30/06 as a semi automatic rifle round.
Everyone gets all concerned about being in a fire fight, honestly if you are that concerned about a firefighting weapon that can shoot through a engine block why not invest in a SCAR or AR-10, Or get a M1A with the heavier barrel.
These are not hunting rifles though I would not want to drag around a 12 lbs rifle and ammo while hunting.
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The Remington 742 is notorious for it's unreliability. I would dump it and get a Remington 700 bolt gun and a good scope. The 700 is a wonderful weapon for the 30.06 ammo.

If you want a semi-auto, the Browning BAR is nice. I love mine. I mean the sporting rifle, not the machinegun.
Very true, the 742 is the worst of the Remington semi autos but I have good news. The 740 and 7400 is not near as bad. I use the 7400 black on black and have zero problems with mine using the 10 round smoke mags by Eagle. Its not a Battle rifle like the Browning or the Garrand but a very reliable semi automatic rifle non the less. My wife has one two and an old 740 that will shoot rings around any 742. The 740 built in the 50,s was built very tough. They are real good guns. The 742 had changes that made them cheaper and prone to breaking the ejector and some have loading problems. Better to off that gun and get a newer 7400. Mine and my wife's have zero problems and hold nice 4 inch groups at 100 yards. I like the 30-06 round as they are everywhere here in Michigan. With deer season coming up prices drop to 15.99 per box and we stock up. If you are looking for a real military rifle however these Remingtons will not hold up to sustained rates of fire. Its pretty hard to beat an AR-15 or if you like the 308 get a M1A from Springfield (I like the Scout Squad in Mossy Oak) Either way these are great battle rifles that hold up in combat situations. Good luck, Kingfish
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Right on Kingfish. That is why the 7400 came out and while they were at it they did same rails in 7600s.

As a side note the 760 Pump gun is a totally different bear because of the slower operation. I have seen 760 barrels taken off police training rifles that had the rifling shot away for two inches in front of the chamber. They must have had 20,000 rounds on them to do that.

I have been looking for a 760 for several years but no luck on one at a affordable price.

I do have a 7615 (AR Mag style) and it is a great little shooter. I have several groups from mine at 300 yards with four out of five going in 2" bull with 69 gr. Sierras.
The short barrel is very loud delivering a 12" fireball at muzzle that can be seen in daylight ! ! !
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First off, get some better magazines than Triple K.
For the most part, they rate as JUNK.

I dont know if the ramline and eagle 10 round plastic magazines are any better.
I do have a couple of of old Eagle 10 rounders I would make you a deal on though.

For a 30.06 battle rifle, you are probably limited to the M1 and the SAFN1949.
Neither is cheap to buy.
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I would not worry about getting a 30 caliber battle rifle that is a survival rifle.
1. You don't need to engage in firefights where a full size 30 cal rifle is nessecary, if by chance ever had the misfortune of being engaged at a range greater than 300 yards where it would payoff to have a rifle that could make ranged shots at those ranges a bolt gun would suffice.
2. Most everything goes down right between 50 and 150 yards anyway so why not have a weapon that you can carry hundreds of rounds for instead of tens of rounds.
3. Most of the time in a survival situation you would need the gun for opportunistic hunting and unless you plan on shooting large mule deer or elk all the time you don't need ot carry a 12 lb M1 or M1A.

So what I am getting at is go lightweight on the guns get a good sporting rifle that shoots 30/06. I have a Savage 110 works good. I also have a steven 200 that works fine, Finally I have a 1903 A3 it weight 8.5 lbs shoots as far as you can see.
All 30/06 all work just fine with not real deal on adjustment or windage out to 200 yards.
I can shoot further no problem, but I am sighted at 200 and I leave them alone.
That puts me about 3 inches high at 100 easy figuring.
For brush hunting I use a Keltech SU-16. Easy lightweight gun great for Coyote hunting.
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Can you use a semi to hunt with in your state? If not then I'd trade the 742 for a 700 and get a magaizine adapter if you want a higher magazine volume. I think they use M14 mags.

If you can use a semi then I'd stick with an AR 10 in .308 or .243. The .243 would be a great comprimize between a .308 and .5.56. Ammo's inexpensive,$14/20, Federal 100gr sp at Walmart.

Any way you go though I'd still dump the 742 if it's not reliable for anything other than hunting with a single shot.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:13 PM
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Here it depends on the area and what you are hunting, everything goes along those lines.
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Jimnan88 is right. Humping ammo for a big feeder is a very limiting affair.

Assuming you have a bolt rifle with stripper clip reload capability you can get a Garand ammo belt which will hold 2 5rd clips per pouch. If you are really lucky you can find a 1903 belt.
Each has 10 pouches so you have 100 rounds plus five in the rifle (6 if you have a 1903) and you go to the party with 106 rounds.
If you don't have a stripper clip feed capability the ability to operate is going to get iffy real fast.
You will also need to get a ammo belt (load bearing equipment) suspenders as 100 rounds, plus two canteens will add up quickly. Occasionally you see military photographs of WW2 / Korea GIs carrying two extra bandoleers (7 pouch per bandoleer = 56 rounds) and these are notorious for letting enbloc clips fall out during road marches not to mention cross country operations.
M1s as we all know require special enbloc clips which don't come in ammo from Walmart. M1As have 20 round mags and GIs were issued two mag pouchs holding two mags plus one in rifle and you have 100 rounds. Foreign gas operated rifles are even more problematical for mag availability and then there is the maintenance problem of gas guns. As the sergeants used to say, take care of your rifle and it will take care of you is critical. Combat troops had rolling weapons maintenance vans following the troops to keep the M1s going. Many of the M1s today have seen multiple depot reworks and you really don't know what you are getting unless you have access to a bridge gage and unless you know your rifle is in time a enbloc clip jumping ship on 6th or 7th round is at best embarrassing. The best M1 mechanic in the country (81 years young, Battle of Bulge,Korea, Nam) would go with a bolt gun. To be specific a Mod 70 Win Target which has stripper clip reload capability.
So bottom line when considering a rifle for bad times you have to think of ammo and how to carry it and how to get it in rifle plus water, food etc.



I would not want to be in bad country with a sack full of loose ammo for a commercial bolt rifle and have to move in a hurry.
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Im big on the 30-06. The M1 Garand has proven itself tough, easy to maintain and reliable in many differant enviornments. IMHO you are only asking for trouble choosing a newer sporting semi-auto hunting rifle. If you must have a semi-auto 30-06, go with a garand and stock up on M2 ball ammo in clips. My primary SHTF hunting rifle will be my 1903 Springfield. It can shoot the M2 ball ive stocked up on for my M1's, and handle any commercial 30-06 hunting ammo I can find. Plus theres no scope to worry about maintaining or getting knocked out of zero. The 1903 is also easy to maintain compared to more modern sporting rifles.
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Im big on the 30-06. The M1 Garand has proven itself tough, easy to maintain and reliable in many differant enviornments. IMHO you are only asking for trouble choosing a newer sporting semi-auto hunting rifle. If you must have a semi-auto 30-06, go with a garand and stock up on M2 ball ammo in clips. My primary SHTF hunting rifle will be my 1903 Springfield. It can shoot the M2 ball ive stocked up on for my M1's, and handle any commercial 30-06 hunting ammo I can find. Plus theres no scope to worry about maintaining or getting knocked out of zero. The 1903 is also easy to maintain compared to more modern sporting rifles.
Yep the good ole 1903 is a good rifle and it is the perfect weight for 30/06
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