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Old 12-05-2019, 12:18 PM
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make a statue of Mary, carry it around, venerate it, make a prayer to her, etc. etc. etc.
They think she and other dead saints are alive and ready to go to bat for them.
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When we don't agree with God's word is when we need to follow God's word.
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Why not? From the Protestant King James Bible:
... have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living... (Mark 12:26-27)
Mar 12:25* “For when they rise from the dead...Mar 12:26* “And concerning the dead, that they rise...

1Co 15:51* See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,*
1Co 15:52* in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.*
1Co 15:53* For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality.*
1Co 15:54* And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming.”
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You are a low-life s.o.b. to risk putting your wife's ass on public display. In the process what you have really done is show your own.
Ah, there it is ad hominem.
I didn't put my wife out there in anyway, I didn't post any truth or info about my wife...I only made a sarcastic remark to your response. You only think I did.

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On what authority do you say that?

Don't tell me what I think, and don't put words in my mouth.
No authority...I just happened to say it.
You're right, I put words in your mouth.
I can't help but to believe that you do not believe the Torah and the rest of the OT with God's instructions sprinkled throughout is still relevant and apply to our lives. Especially when you say things like:
the Catholic Church has of its own canon of Scripture.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=870

doctrine is fully understood within the context of Tradition
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=854

I am a Catholic before I am a Scripture reader. As such I wish to embrace and understand Scripture as the Church would have me.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=773

I follow the Catholic Church's understanding of its own canon of Scripture
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=699

My interest lies in how the Catholic Church understands its canon of Scripture.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=683

the Catholic Church defines the canon of Scripture for me.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=125

That is why I don't get wrapped around the axle with everything the Pope is alleged to have said. What most people don't understand is that he does not even have to promote correct doctrine to indicate papal infallibility.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=133

the Church gave me the Scripture, not the Holy Spirit.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=118

In the words of St. Augustine, "I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.”
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=105

In a sense we Catholics are more Church centered than Bible centered. It is the Church which provides us with the requisite seven sacraments for eternal life, i.e., Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Reconciliation, Anointing of the Sick, and Matrimony. Also the Sacrament of Holy Orders provides us with the ministers of these aforementioned sacraments and also provides our continuity with the New Testament Church by way of Apostolic Succession.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...&postcount=100

The New Testament books attest to the New Covenant. The New Covenant is defined by the Catholic Church as:
The new dispensation, order, or Covenant, established by God in Jesus Christ, to succeed and perfect the Old Covenant. The New Law or Law of the Gospel is the perfection here on earth of the divine law, natural and revealed; this law of the New Covenant is called a law of love, grace, and freedom.

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So I will ask the same question I asked you in the past.

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Greek meanings? My King James Bible is all I need because it says so:
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
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You do know the NT (much less the KJV) hadn't been canonized yet when those words (all scripture) were said or even penned. The scripture mentioned here is the OT.

To put this in context, look at the two verses right before it:

14. But continue you in the things you have learned and been assured of; for you know from whom you learned; 15. because from your childhood, you were taught the Set Apart books which can make you wise to life by faith in Y’shua the Mashiyach (Messiah).

Those Set Apart books are the TaNaKh (OT).
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It's Bible-alone for me, so I don't need anyone explaining my infallible King James Bible; it explains everything sufficiently to me. Now to find that New Testament house-church where we all live together and possess everything in common …
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So my question: do you believe Jesus did away with the law? Do you believe the "only" scripture Jesus and the disciples quoted and taught from was the OT?

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I just cited Sacred Scripture passages that are at odds with what you are saying.

Show me Scripture where it says not to, and give the authority for your particular interpretation of said Scripture.
What you quoted said NOTHING about Mary or any other "church" icon. It had EVERYTHING to do with what GOD said to make. So let's go down this path. Do you believe Mary is in heaven? If so, you had better re-read what GOD said.
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:" Exodus 20:4
God sets the rules, not the "church". He said "no images".
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Not an ad hominem as my comment speaks to the point. As to whoring your wife in an attempt to win a point, you continue to show your ass. SMH

I am so dispirited by your attitude, I might get to the rest of your nonsense later. Have a good day.
Typical leftist deflection.
I wasn't whoring my wife, watch your mouth!
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watch your mouth!
I had to employ the ignore function for that fellow. Why so dang rude?
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Yes, you were, and you continue to do so. Now, since you brought her up first; you will drop this point of discussion first.
No, I wasn't. Like I said, it was a sarcastic response and not an actual poke at my wife since she doesn't respond like you.

However, I have no problem sending you a PM with my address so you can swing by and we can straighten this out one on one. No problem at all.
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I had to employ the ignore function for that fellow. Why so dang rude?
Dunno....typical leftist that takes things out of context and too far.
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The Eternal Father is the Most Loving of Fathers, The Father from whom all fatherhood comes. Any who call on Him in their distress as Father claims sonship and all His power. I don’t care what enemy you face, nothing will defeat you.

Many times I besought The Father and watched all my enemies destroyed and my path made smooth. Blessings rose up to meet me and I like an ingrate only recognised it long after. My Thanksgiving was long in coming and my gratitude completely unworthy.

To fear The Father as an Old Covenant punisher is a terrible insult and the most gross misunderstanding.

Love The Father, tell Him you love Him everyday. Stand in His Holy Presence by your in most desire to be His son.

You who are sons, there is nothing more beautiful and transfixing than the voice of The Father, The Father who calls you by your name, known only by you and Him, chosen by Him from all Eternity. Just as His Name is sacred to you, your name is sacred to Him. You can not understand how much He loves you.

Why are you fearful? Rest and sleep in the everlasting arms of The Father, you are not beggars but sons and daughters, trust and see His goodness and bounty, expect it even to the end.

Even if all desert you in this world and you die alone under a bridge in the cold, The Father is there to carry you to Glories unknown or ever seen or conceived. If it is so Willed by The Father, accept it as Holy and by Faith, Trust.

This is not the only world my brothers and sisters, Heaven is full of the “losers” of this passing world. And they sing to The Eternal Glory of The Father in a Love unknown by this world.

On the day He calls, you will answer. ‘ I will go up to the Altar of God my Father ‘
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They think she and other dead saints are alive and ready to go to bat for them.
“Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
- John 11:25-26

https://www.bartleby.com/268/7/1.html

St. John Chrysostom’s sermon on death from around 380 A.D.

Those “dead saints” are very much alive. The defect is in the way we modern believers view death.
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“Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.”
- John 11:25
Thank you but did Christ ever say those that believed in Him shall not be judged? I forgive and love my grandchildren when they are bad. I still punish them. Should we expect God the Father to do differently?

Just asking not arguing.
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Thank you but did Christ ever say those that believed in Him shall not be judged? I forgive and love my grandchildren when they are bad. I still punish them. Should we expect God the Father to do differently?

Just asking not arguing.
We will all be judged not once but twice: Personal judgement, Universal judgement.
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We will all be judged not once but twice: Personal judgement, Universal judgement.
A very thought provoking statement. Thanks
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