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Old 07-16-2019, 08:42 PM
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Not sure if this would maybe be better in the rifle forum? What does everybody like for stock piling 5.56 ammo? Seems like M855 can be ruled out due to terminal ballistics. M193 is better but is it good enough? I know there are pretty good loads out there which would be selected for intentional hunting or SD use, but their cost makes stock piling a challenge.

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There was a thread this spring that included that if you want to go back and look. (Not just discouraging your thread, just sharing)

I remember heavy gold dots was one of the top 3 of to agreed upon. I just remember that because I already had a few cases put back (don't remember the bullet weigjt, sorry, I'm not a 556 fan.)


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Have AT LEAST a case of "the good stuff" put back AFTER function testing.
It's not that expensive in the big scheme of things and what is your life worth?
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Load your own ammo. More than half the cost of store bought ammo is brass that you are throwing away. It can be used more than seven times in about any firearm and up to a hundred in some.

Some firearms do really well with custom loaded ammo, other do no worse than with expensive factory ammo.

I have .222 Remington bolt rifle. I can easily load it down to be a 22 Mag or a 22 short with cast bullets for perhaps 1.5 cents a round. Current prices of primers and powder might be in the nickel a round zone. Full loads with trick bullets might be a quarter each or perhaps a little more or less.
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i did some testing on 5.56 ammunition in a range of bullet types, i didnt like M855, terminal ballistics and the added penetration wasnt all that noticeable, i didnt see much point in it

the other type i tested were hand loads using 75 grain hornady hollow point boat tail to test the lowest cost possible heavy grain ammo with significant improvements to energy and accuracy down range, for longer distance shooting.. 30 cents a round if using once-fired brass, which is cheaper than most people will buy the cheapest brass cased 5.56 ammo for.. but its a lot of work, and the ballistics on a match bullet are not that great (but i guess if it increases your likeliness of registering a hit, that is more favorable to great terminal ballistics that miss

then theres 55 grain M193 type ammunition.. from a 20" barrel inside 50 yards it will penetrate body armor.. terminal ballistics are really good because it destabilizes very rapidly (due to its low momentum), the tumble can cause vicious wound channels.. but because of the lower weight, lower ballistic coefficient, it's not going to have as much energy at greater distances, but will have less drop over the 55 grain ammo just purely due to its ridiculously high velocity, but would be more prone to being effected by wind

so in conclusion if you plan to do a lot of longer range shooting, you can make your own match ammo dirt cheap that will launch pills out there and retain a lot more of its starting velocity and energy at distance.. or if you're not concerned with 400+ yard accuracy and kinetic energy, just stockpile loaded 55 grain ammo which will be more effective inside 400 because the bullets have better terminal ballistics, in my opinion, than heavy match ammo that isn't designed to expand, fragment, or tumble

now, if you want to spend more per round in order to get the best of both worlds, 77 grain TMKs do a lot of damage, and have fantastic range and accuracy, and the 65 grain match kings are great for mid range performance.. of course, these two will cost you significantly more than the loads mentioned above
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I say buy a case of ammo for every gun you own as a start, I think one case of ammo for every gun is more than youíll ever use but I say get more for redundancy, and separate where you keep it. Keeping it in multiple locations will minimize the chance of a leak or home damage destroying your entire stockpile.

We all want the doomsday supply of everything but the truth is if you get into enough gun battles to worry about 1,000 rounds of ammo running out youíll probably not live long enough to see it run out.

I say 55 grain because I donít think youíll have much time in a situation to consider, should I use 77 grain, 62 grain....
Youíll slap that trigger and drop magazines and the bullet weight will be meaningless to you.
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I prefer to load my own. Lower cost and better accuracy.
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what i actually stockpile after my testing of different 5.56 loads is simple 55 grain M193.. its cheaper, i dont have to reload, it has more range than i actually need, weighs the least.. i really do not need more than M193 provides for stockpiling purposes
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I stock both- M193 and M855.
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I just spent the last 30 days loading up 5000 rounds of bonded 5.56.

2000- 64 Grain Speer Gold Dot

2000- 62 Grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw

1000- 62 Grain MK-318

I still have 500 Nosler 64 Grain Bonded Solid Base (BSB) bullets to load but I ran out of powder.

I use M193 and M855 for training. I load MK262 77 grain for my Precision AR.
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I just stock XM/M193. It's a good general purpose cartridge. I'm not heavily invested in .223/5.56 myself, preferring 7.62 NATO and 7.62x39 since I can load both with the same .308 diameter bullets with a small inherent loss in velocity and accuracy in my 7.62x39 rifles.

Anyway, I'd also look in to getting maybe half a case (500rds or so) of good quality hunting ammunition in the 77-77gr range.
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what i would do, honestly, is just get whats inexpensive and common.. 55 grain M193, or if you want to hand load and have the time and equipment to clean and resize 5,000 pieces of once fired brass into your own custom load, go for it.. but get that 5,000 round buffer, and then diversify into rounds for more specialized purposes, like hunting, or long range, or superior terminal ballistics.. then you have that 5,000 round stockpile to always fall back on, and the costs of the rest are less important

but the key takeaway here is get that 5,000 round stockpile ready ASAP
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M80 and M118 FWIW
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Right now I am all over the new 55 grain Norma ammo at $.27 a round shipped
I reload Barnes 62 grain TTSX and Cutting Edge bullets for super serious stuff
The Barnes TTSX punches way above its weight class
Honestly do not think there is anything it could not kill
Might not be the best choice for big and dangerous but I bet it will do the job
Goblins do not stand a chance
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My training ammo is M193. I stock a variety of different ammos for social use. Mk262 Mod 1, Federal 62gr TBBC, 70gr TSX, and 75gr TAP SBR.
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doesn't MK262 use 77 grain TMKs?.. i wonder what the price difference would be between buying them at current prices, and rolling your own
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M80 and M118 FWIW
So many better options than M80 ball these days. If you are going to use 308 with it's higher recoil and lower capacity you may as well get better use out of all that energy. Bonded ammo like Speer Gold Dot or Hornady SST works very well and is reasonably priced.
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doesn't MK262 use 77 grain TMKs?.. i wonder what the price difference would be between buying them at current prices, and rolling your own
MK262 uses Sierra Match King or Nosler 77 grain OTM's. Before Cabelas got bought out by Bass Pro they would put 1k Nosler 77 OTM's on sale for $149 with free shipping. At that cost with Varget and CCI 41's or 450 I could make them for under 25 cents per with Lake City range brass. I could never quite get the 2700 velocity that Black Hills MK 262 gives but accuracy was as low as .33 MOA for 5 shots out of a White Oak Armaments stainless match SPR barrel.
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I’m stocking (slowly) 62gr and 77gr for my 1/7 twist. I do actually have a couple ammo cans of the 55gr stuff too.
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Where do you all purchase your MK262?
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Lately, I have been using
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...2-p-58827.aspx

But they are out of stock

Blackhills makes a clone that you can buy most anywhere

Also use PSA
https://palmettostatearmory.com/fede...rds-fc262.html

But they are out of stock
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