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Old 07-16-2019, 07:40 PM
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I guess I'm a bit puzzled. For every response about the pros of owning a 22 rifle you have a reason not to own a 22 rifle. Why did you even start the thread in the first place???

I am a decent shot with a handgun. At least I used to have a shelf full of trophies that said I could shoot. They were dust catchers and I decided I had nothing to prove to anyone else so I threw them away.

But I cannot shoot the same groups or make as accurate of a shot, shot after shot as I can with a rifle. I used to shoot beer cans at 100 yards with my Ruger MK I target pistol and made about 50% hits. Off hand. The misses were still very close. A rabbit would have been in great peril at that range. I am not sure I could make those shots now. I haven't shot at that range in a long time. But with a scoped 22 rifle I should be able to make 80% or better hits. Buts thats just me.
Hatchet jack I'm sorry that you are puzzled. But you have hit upon the very reason that I asked if I should carry the extra weight of a .22 LR rifle when I can still perform the same 100 yard shots with a lower weight .22LR Pistol.

Wouldn't it behove me to transfer the weight of a .22LR Rifle into a .22 Centerfire rifle that I'm varmint capable of reaching at 500 yards.

The .22LR Rifle question is sort of like folks that can't effectively use rifles that are capable of more than 300 yard ranges. If you can use a 22 LR Pistol to harvest game reliably at 100 yards, why carry the extra weight of a .22 LR Rifle to accomplish the same task? 38 out of 40 Targets on the Hunters Pistol Range is better than the 80% of a scoped .22LR Rifle. that you are questioning me about. I'm not trying to be condescending, but if I'm still able to score higher than 80% hits with a lower weight pistol at 100 yards, is it wise for me to tote the extra weight of a scoped .22 LR Rifle to accomplish the less of the task?
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But is that $80 that I'll just leave behind?
Might.

OTOH you might use it to train someone who could walk with you and carry that AND one of your other guns.

Or even better they might help pull security so you get to remain in place.

Worst case it'll hold its value better than a stack of FRN'S.

Perhaps that $80 would be better spent on canteens?
definitely not. Canteens can be replaced with free plastic bottles.


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Should I walk anywhere I plan on leaving the .22 rifles at home and carrying an advantage arms .22 conversion for one of my pair of glocks I'm wearing right now.

But that's not reason not to have one.

SIck, cold, lots of times it might better to have a rifle to take the shot.
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The only reason I'd cast a Yes vote was _IF_ you see a need in your circumstances to train new/young shooters (and didn't have a good air rifle). Even though I learned to shoot with a old Colt single action (late 60s/early 70s) it wasn't until I got my first rifle, an Ithaca Model 49 single shot that my skills at landfill rodent eradication and hunting success increased significantly.

Other things that pop to mind is ...

- rifle would have lower sound levels.

- rifle would be able to use 22 shorts, CB and standard/hyper velocity. Some autoloaders don't handle them that well.

- ergonomics can factor in as it can be easier to shoot a rifle off a sandbag/rest for new shooters.

In lieu of a rifle I'd likely invest in a 22 suppressor if you don't have one already.

Just my 2
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definitely not. Canteens can be replaced with free plastic bottles.


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Should I walk anywhere I plan on leaving the .22 rifles at home and carrying an advantage arms .22 conversion for one of my pair of glocks I'm wearing right now.

But that's not reason not to have one.

SIck, cold, lots of times it might better to have a rifle to take the shot.
It's really hard to desalinate water in plastic bottles. Stainless steel canteens work much better. LOL

Would a 24 inch Model 700 .223 Match Chambered Rifle have a better chance of succeeding for that same shot?

PS Crosman air rifle.
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If I could have only 1 firearm it would be the Ruger 10/22 with scope. Reliable, will kill small game, ammo is cheap and light weight. JMO
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If I could have only 1 firearm it would be the Ruger 10/22 with scope. Reliable, will kill small game, ammo is cheap and light weight. JMO
Thanks Don, but I've already killed more than I wish to reiterate. Nowadays I'm more interested in harvesting game for the table. Sometimes it takes more than a .22LR to humanely harvest that game. JMHO.
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But is that $80 that I'll just leave behind?

Perhaps that $80 would be better spent on canteens?
TP, there's never enough TP. J/K

I think you're gtg with a 22 CF and rimfire pistol. I like a 22lr rifle in the here and now, but out and about in a dangerous situation I'd prefer a bit more punch.
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It's really hard to desalinate water in plastic bottles. Don't need toStainless steel canteens work much better. LOLfine. Go buy a $1 metal bottle at a thrift store. GHosts where I got my $2 pan set up since I didn't want to buy another pair of titanium pots as a backup.

Would a 24 inch Model 700 .223 Match Chambered Rifle have a better chance of succeeding for that same shot?than what? What SHot?
Personally my rifle will be .30


PS Crosman air rifle.
PS: you carry an air rifle. I'll screw one of my suppressors onto one of my .22's.
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PS: you carry an air rifle. I'll screw one of my suppressors onto one of my .22's.
Air rifles are training tools.
It isn't meat in the freezer that determines if you use a suppressor or ARD. If I'm utilizing both, Mac make a TAC-50. I'll take my chances.
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Q: Do I need a 22 LR Rifle?
A: Yes
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In the scenario you’ve outlined for yourself you do not need a 22lr rifle.

In the scenario you haven’t planned for will you need a 22lr rifle?

The advantages of a 22lr rifle w/optics are stability, increased velocities and range. The optic will offer a higher probability of a hit. Are these going to be necessary for you vs another 2 lbs?

Let’s be honest..these look damn good.



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Only a limp wrister needs .22 lr

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Only a criminal would wish to dis arm the public.
Any working gun is better than a knife , or a pipe or base ball bat or a gang .
I know those that are one handed ,so loading a Beretta 21a is the best thing available.
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Sounds like you need to prove something. Not sure you are succeeding. If you have no use (notice I did not say "need") or desire for a .22LR rifle then don't buy one.
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The .22LR Rifle question is sort of like folks that can't effectively use rifles that are capable of more than 300 yard ranges. If you can use a 22 LR Pistol to harvest game reliably at 100 yards, why carry the extra weight of a .22 LR Rifle to accomplish the same task? 38 out of 40 Targets on the Hunters Pistol Range is better than the 80% of a scoped .22LR Rifle. that you are questioning me about. I'm not trying to be condescending, but if I'm still able to score higher than 80% hits with a lower weight pistol at 100 yards, is it wise for me to tote the extra weight of a scoped .22 LR Rifle to accomplish the less of the task?
If you can score 100% hits at 100 yards with your pistol then no, you don't need a 22 rifle. See how easy that was? And I can use my Ruger 77/22 and that shoots 10 shot 5/8" 50 yard groups in hit beer cans 100% of the time at 100 yards. And thats the bottom of the can. I just didn't want to sound like one of the braggarts you read so often on the internet forums.
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Pistol or rifle? I like having options, so I see both sides having merit and equally interesting. Being able to consistently hit the target with either pistol or rifles is actually what is important. Which ever way you choose to go, 22LR ammo has once again become plentiful and affordable. Time to stock up?
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Nothing goes to the grave with me but I love my 22LR Bruno bolt action.
I have other toys too that I can handle pretty well but horses for courses.
You consider it buy it if you can afford it, your money also not required in the grave.
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What's this talk of "need"?

Get what you want. Or don't.

I obtain firearms because they pique my interest, not because I "need" them.

If you don't have a .22 rifle, something else will fill that void in the post-apocalyptic wonderland.
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If you have accurate .22 pistols with optical sights which you shoot well, there is no "need", but firing subsonic .22 LR from a rifle gives a mild report which does not require a "can" and striking energy is similar to your 6" barrel autopistol firing high velocity out at 50 to 100 yards.

An inexpensive, take-down .22 rifle which you can find at a barn or estate sale for under $100 is a great cache item as a spare rifle. I have several used for that exact purpose.
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