Massive explosion in Beirut - Page 10 - Survivalist Forum
Survivalist Forum

Advertise Here

Go Back   Survivalist Forum > >
Articles Classifieds Donations Gallery Groups Links Store Survival Files


Notices

Manmade and Natural Disasters Drought, Diseases, Earthquakes, Riots, Wars

Advertise Here
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-09-2020, 12:43 PM
KLF KLF is online now
Hunter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: FIN
Posts: 1,565
Thanks: 99
Thanked 1,716 Times in 884 Posts
Default



Advertise Here

Quote:
Originally Posted by Littlebits View Post
There were an ongoing fire before it exploded, people often film fires... Have you never noticed that?
There was one video where camera was on a stand, it had a text saying "fire started around 17:30" and the explosion was at 18:08. So for roughly 30 minutes people would film the smoke pillar without catching the final explosion.
Quick reply to this message
Old 08-09-2020, 01:04 PM
benson56 benson56 is offline
Hunter
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: The Great Plains
Age: 64
Posts: 1,274
Thanks: 412
Thanked 2,787 Times in 864 Posts
Default

Interesting that the two barges/vessels on the water next to the building were barely moved. Apparently most of the blast went straight up. Understandable.
Quick reply to this message
Old 08-09-2020, 02:43 PM
teddyearp's Avatar
teddyearp teddyearp is offline
read more, post less
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Lakeside, AZ
Age: 60
Posts: 347
Thanks: 1,215
Thanked 863 Times in 276 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Littlebits View Post
well 2750 ton of ammonium nitrate ;-) not every big boom is a nuke... and the cameraman would have been blinded looking straight at it from that close
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Every camera would have been fairly well blinded by the light from a nuke blast.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to teddyearp For This Useful Post:
Old 08-09-2020, 02:45 PM
teddyearp's Avatar
teddyearp teddyearp is offline
read more, post less
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Lakeside, AZ
Age: 60
Posts: 347
Thanks: 1,215
Thanked 863 Times in 276 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by benson56 View Post
Interesting that the two barges/vessels on the water next to the building were barely moved. Apparently most of the blast went straight up. Understandable.
Interesting indeed, but who can predict? I thought the big grain silo might have prevented some damage behind it, but it didn't. It does somehow seem as though it deflected the blast away from those barges, though.
Quick reply to this message
Old 08-09-2020, 02:47 PM
KLF KLF is online now
Hunter
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: FIN
Posts: 1,565
Thanks: 99
Thanked 1,716 Times in 884 Posts
Default

Their aft were towards the blast, the cruise ship at the other side took the blast on it's side and fell over.
Quick reply to this message
The Following User Says Thank You to KLF For This Useful Post:
Old 08-09-2020, 03:44 PM
William Ashley's Avatar
William Ashley William Ashley is offline
Offline starting sept 1st
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,003
Thanks: 58
Thanked 1,058 Times in 493 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CONELRAD View Post
And it would be invisible to the naked eye... why?
https://www.ida.org/-/media/feature/...ry/d-4792.ashx

Mach 10 is 2 miles per second give or take.

And no I am not saying I think it was a hypersonic rocket or an space based attack from a space force or hostile aliens. Just answering why some weapons are not easily visible to the human eye.

To simplify this, how easily do you see bullets? Now multiply that by 10 times.
Quick reply to this message
Old 08-09-2020, 07:07 PM
MikeK's Avatar
MikeK MikeK is offline
Walking methane refinery
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 57
Posts: 65,046
Thanks: 134,014
Thanked 157,006 Times in 45,506 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Member 
Total Awards: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Littlebits View Post
well 2750 ton of ammonium nitrate ;-) not every big boom is a nuke... and the cameraman would have been blinded looking straight at it from that close
Also nuclear explosions aren't orange. As you mentioned, they are extremely bright. This one was not. Although the initial steam burst sure looked like the ocean test shots I've seen on video.
Quick reply to this message
The Following User Says Thank You to MikeK For This Useful Post:
Old 08-09-2020, 07:09 PM
MikeK's Avatar
MikeK MikeK is offline
Walking methane refinery
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 57
Posts: 65,046
Thanks: 134,014
Thanked 157,006 Times in 45,506 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Member 
Total Awards: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by William Ashley View Post
https://www.ida.org/-/media/feature/...ry/d-4792.ashx

Mach 10 is 2 miles per second give or take.

And no I am not saying I think it was a hypersonic rocket or an space based attack from a space force or hostile aliens. Just answering why some weapons are not easily visible to the human eye.

To simplify this, how easily do you see bullets? Now multiply that by 10 times.
Anything moving at mach 10 is very brightly incandescent and a bright streak would be visible for miles.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to MikeK For This Useful Post:
Old 08-09-2020, 07:14 PM
PeterEnergy's Avatar
PeterEnergy PeterEnergy is offline
Rom 14:1, 13; Jam 4:11-12
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 19,711
Thanks: 16,048
Thanked 35,485 Times in 12,347 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeK View Post
Anything moving at mach 10 is very brightly incandescent and a bright streak would be visible for miles.
I've never read posts from anyone so profoundly wrong with the consistency of WA. Not merely expressing unsupported opinions but stating facts that are not so.

He seems to suppose he can make up for quality with quantity too. Put total BS in 15 paragraphs.
__________________
Be prudent, always. Worry, never. Jer 15:16
Quick reply to this message
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to PeterEnergy For This Useful Post:
Old 08-09-2020, 07:15 PM
Justme11's Avatar
Justme11 Justme11 is online now
Wile E Coyote, Genius.
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Houston
Posts: 33,013
Thanks: 38,178
Thanked 86,923 Times in 24,908 Posts
Default

I posted the Mach 10 Sprint missile video. Pretty hard not to see that thing.

Quick reply to this message
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Justme11 For This Useful Post:
Old 08-10-2020, 06:48 AM
William Ashley's Avatar
William Ashley William Ashley is offline
Offline starting sept 1st
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,003
Thanks: 58
Thanked 1,058 Times in 493 Posts
Default

While I would love to discuss the current state of hypersonic technologies, this would diverge too far from the topic itself.

I will leave this at, it is very difficult to see objects moving at high speeds, especially over short distances.

Personally if there was any foul play involved it seems likely that it was a fire diversion with some sort of planted explosive device, not a cutting edge or alien hypersonic delivery system or kinetic delivery agent. Really no point in even discussing that tangent since most of those technologies are highly classified and developmental. Since I am forbidden from going off topic by replying to these types of discrediting attacks I will need to say if anyone wants to discuss hypersonic weapons to start a new thread or to PM me to get feedback on that subject. I will refer you back to the institute for defense article I posted a link for in my previous comment regarding visibility of hypersonic systems, and point you to the formula in the said article.

For ease of reference here is a repost of the url
https://www.ida.org/-/media/feature/...ry/d-4792.ashx
Quick reply to this message
Old 08-10-2020, 11:29 AM
CONELRAD's Avatar
CONELRAD CONELRAD is offline
Emergency Manager
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Upper Midwest
Posts: 2,706
Thanks: 544
Thanked 4,540 Times in 1,782 Posts
Default

We also know it wasn't a nuke because there would already be thousands dead from the prompt radiation effects from the detonation. Then there's the fallout, which is impossible to hide, and would have resulted in thousands of incapacitated and dead responders who were working the area to rescue survivors... then the thousands, probably tens of thousands of casualties later.
Quick reply to this message
The Following User Says Thank You to CONELRAD For This Useful Post:
Old 08-10-2020, 12:16 PM
MikeK's Avatar
MikeK MikeK is offline
Walking methane refinery
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Texas
Age: 57
Posts: 65,046
Thanks: 134,014
Thanked 157,006 Times in 45,506 Posts
Awards Showcase
Outstanding Member 
Total Awards: 1
Default

I tend to follow Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. We can complicate things to the point of absurdity. Or, it could just be that a fire set off the AN, like it has done several other times.
Quick reply to this message
The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to MikeK For This Useful Post:
Old 08-10-2020, 07:35 PM
emh1701's Avatar
emh1701 emh1701 is offline
Survivor
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: MN
Posts: 2,616
Thanks: 3,614
Thanked 2,904 Times in 1,384 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Central Scrutinizer View Post
I am having second thoughts about the fireworks factory connection. Is there any corroborating evidence that there was actually a fireworks factory on site?
https://apnews.com/cbeb3263d6fc30a63a0300f588e7207b

Well I don't think it was a factory, but that they were stored close by. But something had to set off the fire in the first place.

Ok, the BBC has a map. They're at least admitting it could have been caused by some sort of bomb, but so far it is unknown for sure.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53668493
Quick reply to this message
Old 08-10-2020, 07:59 PM
Central Scrutinizer's Avatar
Central Scrutinizer Central Scrutinizer is offline
IRON ON COURAGE
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 4,845
Thanks: 5,561
Thanked 4,580 Times in 2,415 Posts
Default

We had a lightning strike about 1 mile from here yesterday evening. I caught the flash outside the window and it was extremely bright. Then a couple seconds later the absolute loudest thunder BOOM I have ever heard and it echoed for many seconds thereafter. It was like a bomb. Surprisingly. the power never flickered but the CATV/INTERNET was FUBAR for 12 hours until this AM.
Quick reply to this message
The Following User Says Thank You to Central Scrutinizer For This Useful Post:
Old 08-11-2020, 02:50 PM
Asag's Avatar
Asag Asag is offline
D. Gibbons is a bad man
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,390
Thanks: 2,150
Thanked 4,841 Times in 2,519 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by emh1701 View Post
https://apnews.com/cbeb3263d6fc30a63a0300f588e7207b

Well I don't think it was a factory, but that they were stored close by. But something had to set off the fire in the first place.

Ok, the BBC has a map. They're at least admitting it could have been caused by some sort of bomb, but so far it is unknown for sure.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53668493
A discarded cigarette could have initiated this chain you would not need a high energy ignition source.
Quick reply to this message
Old 08-12-2020, 12:53 AM
SoJ_51's Avatar
SoJ_51 SoJ_51 is online now
SoJer
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Lost Angeles
Posts: 2,859
Thanks: 70,447
Thanked 7,802 Times in 2,410 Posts
Default

Wow...

Amazing none of those sustained serious injuries..

..and, This one, both reports 'possible Fireworks Also stored there' - and - This clip seems to be somewhat 'new' (?? ..I hadn't seen this one, anyway...) and it Really-well shows the 'wavefront' of the shockwave just Obliterate the faces of those 'frontline' buildings across the Highway.. Looks like this was, perhaps, a 'fixed' / high-res security-cam (as-opposed to one of the 'cellphone vids', earlier seen..)


..Again.. Wow..

PS, Also-astonishing that 'only' "145 dead".. I'd expected hundreds to a K or more, easily.. Edit: actually, reflecting further - I'll bet this number is, indeed, 'way low', since a) nearly Any / Everyone in the within the 'immediate blast radius' Had to have been pretty much vaporized (and, it might be difficult to know (at This point..) 100% of Who-all, exactly, was "there"..)

..and, b) Even those that were known to Be even in the Area of that - Huge - warehouse / docks-area (look at those Ships for 'scale'..) are - where? How many bodies / parts, thereof, could even Be 'recovered'? (I mean, how many ended up In that Crater / the water! I doubt they'll even find Teeth to ID-with, for [x]-number, so.. Truly, we may never 100% know the true "death toll" of this mess...)

..Probably one of the 'Top Ten 'School of Hard Knocks' Lessons of All Time', eh?

.02
jd
Quick reply to this message
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to SoJ_51 For This Useful Post:
Reply

Bookmarks



Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Survivalist Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Gender
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © Kevin Felts 2006 - 2015,
Green theme by http://www.themesbydesign.net