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This sounds like a good reason to bury the tanks. The temperature in the ground is much more stable. Then you could fill the tank.
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Sufficient hot weather and lack of wind can drive the temperature in the tank to cause excessive pressure....
Think about a vehicle setting out in the sun and the temperature inside the vehicle....
Reflective paint helps, but shade is better....
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I am very thankful to getbthese reminders and to see the many positive insights on helping others.
I live in Arkansas, and we too have an 80 % fill. Every ounce of this precious commodity will make a difference in heavy winter cold seasons.
Have your installation company inspect yearly before filling. Here they claim no responsibility for your loss because of faulty equipment.
Have your heating, cooking, fuel protected against loss.
If you can are allowed or come upon a syphon equipment.
Being able to fill your own smaller tanks can be of. Great assistance. During the. winter of 2005 ( my dats are often off a couple yesrs one way or the other, dementia) Ice storm, if not for portable heaters and green Iron panels,these make shift sheltors kept mama cows from breaking hips and baby calfs from premature death.Portable heat helped save twenty baby calves and. Several mammas, I know because of those who didn't make it.
If it can save an animals life think of how it could be for you in a stranded situation.
Heat source, food and unfrozen water.
Portable makeshift shelters against wind and wet, keeping your core tempature regulated.
Those who have a strong sense of survival often take their little ones far into the woods down in steep hollors and lose the food source. Early fall unexpected falling tempatures and a week of ice caused us to break into surival mode, and shelters during extreme times where you might otherwise not be ready, saved their lives.
Isn't this the reason for survival tips and feeding off others suggestions?
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Once the relief valve pops it'll have to be replaced, and the tank has to be empty for that to happen, contact you're propane supplier for details.
This is a troubling statement. I literally just got back from the propane place where I had a 25 gallon tank filled, and that was one subject we talked about. He told me if the tank got too hot it could blow the pop off valve, but it would close by itself after the pressure went down enough?
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This is a troubling statement. I literally just got back from the propane place where I had a 25 gallon tank filled, and that was one subject we talked about. He told me if the tank got too hot it could blow the pop off valve, but it would close by itself after the pressure went down enough?
My statement was specific to larger residential tanks. The pressure relief valve on your 25 gal tank will reseal if it pops. All pressure relief valves are designed to do this but old ones on large tanks don't always seal completely.
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My statement was specific to larger residential tanks. The pressure relief valve on your 25 gal tank will reseal if it pops. All pressure relief valves are designed to do this but old ones on large tanks don't always seal completely.
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This is a troubling statement. I literally just got back from the propane place where I had a 25 gallon tank filled, and that was one subject we talked about. He told me if the tank got too hot it could blow the pop off valve, but it would close by itself after the pressure went down enough?
I have seen both in the past 9 months going through 2 house fires. 25 gallon tank vented, didn't reset (too hot), several 5 gallon tanks reset but I wouldn't trust them and traded them in for rebuilt used tanks.

The second fire got hot enough that the tank inside the BBQ literally blew apart taking the BBQ with it. other tanks in the same area didn't blow but the valves melted.
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My statement was specific to larger residential tanks. The pressure relief valve on your 25 gal tank will reseal if it pops. All pressure relief valves are designed to do this but old ones on large tanks don't always seal completely.
The 250 gallon tank at the second fire vented but I think it resealed and still has propane in it. It was 70% full at the time of the fire, but away from any major heat.
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The 250 gallon tank at the second fire vented but I think it resealed and still has propane in it. It was 70% full at the time of the fire, but away from any major heat.
If it happened during a fire......damn, that's a scary thing. If the pop off is fairy new it should be okay.
However, if the tank itself was IN in the fire, it should be removed from service, emptied and condemned. Excessive heat effects the structural strength of the steel. Highly recommend you have it inspected.
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Question: Do the Coleman Individual Propane Tanks that you use in your camping stove and gear, do they have pressure relief valves also, or will they explode if they get too hot?

Answer: Yes they do. It is the pin that looks like the valve on your tire that you use to put air in the tire.

Also didn't realize you could refill those 1 lb propane bottles. This is a major advantage to me. I have always avoided using any camping equipment that use the propane bottles because they were expensive and you simply threw them away when empty. Now that I know that you can refill them for 50 cents, rather than buy them for $4.00, I will be using them more.

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Tony while I agree that it doesn't always need replaced, here in Texas where it routinely hits the high 90's for long periods of time, once they go they're pretty much done. 80% is our max fill but in the summer on older tanks we cut the max fill back to 70%.
I won't argue with that, I agree that the hotter the weather, it would be wise to replace PRV, In Texas if I'm not mistaken the relief valve is rated at 250 or 275PSI? here in CA they make their on rules
Its good to have another propane guy on this board, I'm not real good at following up on my posts
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One thing to remember, it is important to transport DOT Cylinders in the upright position, the valve on top of the tank is not designed for liquid, additionally if you hook up the tank after it was horizontal there is a chance that you can introduce a small amount of liquid into the system that is designed for vapor.possibility of blowing out gas control , I will say hat after 30 years doing the propane thing I've never seen this happen but.... it makes sense to clear the valve just in case.. this really only applies to none "OPD" valves
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I won't argue with that, I agree that the hotter the weather, it would be wise to replace PRV, In Texas if I'm not mistaken the relief valve is rated at 250 or 275PSI? here in CA they make their on rules
Its good to have another propane guy on this board, I'm not real good at following up on my posts
Yep, 250 PSI is the standard. While we primarily follow NFPA 54 & 58 Texas also publishes their own LP gas rules that we're also subject to. Nothing really strange in there but sometimes you have to string the rules together to get to the correct destination.

Arkansas has written their own rules completely separate of 54 & 58, it largely mirrors them but they're most certainly a different critter.
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I can't say I've ever had this problem and my tanks have been covered outside since the late 70s. We have pressure release valves on them though, and the outside temp doesn't ever get above 35C in very rare cases. We always make sure they aren't getting rusty and we change the lines every couple years.
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They will only fill my underground and above ground tanks to 80 % here in West central Florida
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They will only fill my underground and above ground tanks to 80 % here in West central Florida
80% is an industry standard "max" fill.
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I haven't used Propane just yet but we're considering doing so in our BOL. I don't know much about it honestly. Can you just choose to buy the tank? Is 250 gallons the size of a "big tank"? if you just run an oven on a tank that large, wouldn't it last for years? Can you install a line from the tank to a valve you could use specifically to fill smaller 5 and 10 gallon RV tanks?

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I haven't used Propane just yet but we're considering doing so in our BOL. I don't know much about it honestly. Can you just choose to buy the tank? Is 250 gallons the size of a "big tank"? if you just run an oven on a tank that large, wouldn't it last for years? Can you install a line from the tank to a valve you could use specifically to fill smaller 5 and 10 gallon RV tanks?

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Many of your questions are answered here: https://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...rimer+preppers
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That is very comprehensive. I'll read over that during the next little while and follow up if something I was wondering wasn't answered. Thanks for the link, this forum is rather huge and finding specific information is a tad tricky at times.
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A word on propane tanks. The metal actually expands and contracts as the weather changes or at the time of filling.On a cool day and the tank is being filled it will feel warm to the touch. The paint also has to stretch and contract. I have been told that the modern pumps allow for vapor equalization. I still try to fill tanks when the weather is cool going into winter, same as filling a tank on an automobile.
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