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how do cattle fit into things when the shtf. Alot of farmers around here have cattle. Like when the hurricane hit people raided walmart but what about farms. Its private property so could the farmer shoot you for trying to take 1 or 2 of his cattle. Just wondering.
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If SHTF, and Wally mart is bare, you know that people are going to start raiding. I suppose no one would argue that fact. Farmers and Ranchers (two different things in most cases) around here are well armed, so I would figure they would gather their neighbors as a protective force, and pay in consumables for the protection. Remeber the LA Riots? Asian store owners protected their property successfully from theirves and looters from their rooftops. I would see no difference in this situation.
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how do cattle fit into things when the shtf. Alot of farmers around here have cattle. Like when the hurricane hit people raided walmart but what about farms. Its private property so could the farmer shoot you for trying to take 1 or 2 of his cattle. Just wondering.
I own cattle and I also own guns so don't think of even taking one of my cows. You want a cow buy one and take care of it yourself. You just might end up getting killed by the cattle if you don't know what your doing in the first place! This guy here probley would stomp your butt in the ground real fast if you started messing around in the herd. I also think it is still on the books in Washington that you can get hung for russling cattle and some of the ranchers I know you would not even want to be caught doing it by them! Dumb question how do you figure you could take a couple? You got a truck and stock trailer? You think the rancher is going to sit back and watch you? Best you give it a lot of thought and look for a deer instead. Mark

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Most of the sheeple in the cities would not know how to slaughter and butcher a cow. If they can't heat it in the microwave or pick it up from the drive through window they will starve. If TSHTF I would try and do some bartering for cattle. Trying to raid a ranch to steal cattle is a good way to get killed. Keep in mind that Ranchers have Rifles to shoot Coyotes and other varmints. A successful Rancher is probably a crack shot.
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Most of the sheeple in the cities would not know how to slaughter and butcher a cow. If they can't heat it in the microwave or pick it up from the drive through window they will starve. If TSHTF I would try and do some bartering for cattle. Trying to raid a ranch to steal cattle is a good way to get killed. Keep in mind that Ranchers have Rifles to shoot Coyotes and other varmints. A successful Rancher is probably a crack shot.
Well I can shoot less than a MOA at 450 yards and my cattle are only 200 yards or less from my home and I can cover that group with a nickle. I also have night vison equipment and dogs. Mark
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Amen brother. We shoot at coyotes twice a month on average, to remind them. City folk wouldn't have a clue about how to raid a cattle ranch. We had a neighbors cow die close to our back fence a few months ago, and it took three guys, a chainsaw, and several hours to remove.

And with the cattle around here, go for it. The rancher probably wouldn't shoot at you unless he saw that the bull/cow was loosing.

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how do cattle fit into things when the shtf. Alot of farmers around here have cattle. Like when the hurricane hit people raided walmart but what about farms. Its private property so could the farmer shoot you for trying to take 1 or 2 of his cattle. Just wondering.
Could they? Yes. In a lawless situation, a farmer and probably anyone, would do what was necessary to protect their property, which includes the livestock.
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Depending on where you live..ranchers move cattle to the high country during spring and back in the fall. A smart rancher would, with the aid of his armed buckaroo's move most of his herd out of sight into wilderness areas, leaving only a few back at the homestead to be seen. Rustler's of course would be swinging, but my personal favorite is "lodgepolled." That's where you get escorted deep into the forest and tied down to the base of a pine-tree and left....forever.-WW

ps. Incidentally when we got rustled they used a 22mag to shoot the heifer, then used a chainsaw, and cordless saw's-all to cut up the choice cuts and left the rest to rot. They ended up getting caught trying the same thing on my Uncle's ranch (bad luck). In court Dad ended up getting the SOB's Ruger, it was the first time in Oregon history the victim was awarded the bad guys weapon. It was a deal the Judge and Dad worked out. Dad said he wanted to take from the crooks livelyhood like they took from ours...plus he added this is... no kidding... "Wouldn't it be ironic if I shot'em with their own gun the next time." The judge smerked and handed the pistol right over!! We still got it!

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I was in no way implying that i would take some ones cattle. Me and my dad are friends with lots of farmers who have cattle (hear the're just farmers because all of them have row crops). I know that if it was survival some of the farmers that i know would let certain people have a cow and then i know ones who would not let you with in 300 yds of there cattle. If all of this does happen i think that most farmers would make a big herd. That way they could protect them better. I also know one gun smith who would let me have a gun if TSHTF.
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The key to a big cattle herd is ya need tons and tons of feed. Sometimes you even have to hay them in the summer (drought). The more cattle you put together the more problems. A feedlot situation is dependent on bringing them feed at least once a day. The more cattle the more feed. If things get tough you're hosed if you can't feed them (no gas/diesel). So what a rancher would do is get rid of a bunch. The large free-range era is pretty much gone in the prairie states I think, but I could be wrong. The bigger and less populated western states have the room to free-graze. I wouldn't worry about what the cattlemen are going to do he-he trust me we know already. If you have no hay you have to sell or in extreme cases give them away. So I have no doubt you'd be given a few if you helped out around the ranch. With cattle prices so bad right now, even for pure-breeds, if you swing by the stock auction you could pick up a calf for a couple of hunded bucks or less. In a true end-of-days deal, a smart rancher would get rid of every critter he didn't need except a few breeding pairs to live on. The more you have the more visible you are, the more starving folks will want it, and the more you'll be fighting to protect it.
The difference between a rancher and farmer are kinda getting gray these days but traditionally a rancher grows four legged animals for others to eat, and a farmer grows crops for others to eat. Ranchers do plant in rows he-he..crops to feed his animals but may plant a few other things to sell. Farmers grow plants for people to eat but may raise some livestock on the side. Llama rancher? Chicken Farmer? Ostrich wrangler? I don't know and I come from a century of cattlemen.-WW
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I have already made a deal with a friend. I help protect the cattle and I get to help eat them.
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My business partner and I have cattle in a couple of different locations, but we split the duties in checking them on a daily basis and will do the same in a SHTF situation. Like has been said, MOST people wouldn't know what to do with a live cow anyway, so I am not to concerned about someone trying to "walk off" with one of mine.
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I am not endorsing this (because it's wrong), I am just repeating what was told to me and how easy and quick it can be to do.

10 years ago I used to knock about with a mad Scottish guy who was about 8yrs older than me. We would drink and smoke all night long.

He told me stories about when he and a few friends started poaching.

I won't go into all their poaching escapades, but by the end they had progressed to walking into a farmer's field and putting a double barrel shotgun against a cows head, then blowing its brains out. They then used a small chainsaw to remove its hind legs. The whole process lasted less than a couple of minutes.

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trading security coverage for groceries (meat) is definitely the better course of action. After everything is said and done, and things get back on track you'll be remembered better for it. A lot of your old school farmer's will usually treat you like one of the family if they feel you've got some interity about you. Get in with them and learn everything you can from them. They really appreciate that.
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