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Old 12-16-2010, 12:40 PM
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I ran across an Annual Survey of the American Public by the National Center for Disaster Preparedness, Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health and The Childrenís Health Fund and thought I'd share it with you.

The document is very short but demonstrates how out of touch with reality some people were in 2007 and probably still are. Many people think that help is going to arrive for them within an hour of a catastrophic disaster!

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...Over one-third of Americans believe that in the event of a catastrophic disaster, help would arrive to assist them within the hour (37%). Some Americans are even more optimistic regarding the speed of first response during a disaster: 55% of African-Americans, 51% of Latinos, and 45% of big city residents believe help will arrive within the first hour after a disaster. Overall, two-thirds of the country believes that help will arrive within several hours of the disaster...
These are the kinds of people we'll have to deal with after a disaster. They'll have no food, no water, no cash and no preps. After three days of no food and drinking out of their hot water tank many of them could get pretty desperate for food and clean water. Seems to me one of our best and cheapest defense is to get more people interested in main stream prep programs like CERT.

You can download the study (PDF) here: http://www.ncdp.mailman.columbia.edu/files/NCDP07.pdf and find more documents here: http://www.ncdp.mailman.columbia.edu/research.htm
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It depends on the disaster. They're probably thinking more in terms of smaller, localized events. We're a city that has never experienced a flood, so I assume we don't even have an actual flood plan in place. Yet in 2006 we got washed off the map, and they had people in flooded neighborhoods extricated, treated and at shelters within in hour.

But we've also all see larger events like the big California quake, Katrina of course, and the various hurricanes that have hit Florida and such. Help certainly wasn't there in an hour and often not for many days.

But one thing I've noticed about people in conversations I've had with them. They don't think in terms of bigger events like that. It's too far out of their comfort zone, so they resort to the "it can't happen to me" defense mechanism. There's no getting through that wall. I know, I've tried. These are the ones that will expect help within in hour in an event where it's simply not realistic.
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I was ground zero for the LA Riots. The National Guard didn't even bring ammo with them... and didn't deploy till day 4. (They like to say they deployed day 3.)

By that time... armed citizens had already taken the city back by themselves. The looters and gang bangers were scared sh-tless when they suddenly found out what training and firepower meant.

And damn those Koreans were good.
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Seems to me one of our best and cheapest defense is to get more people interested in main stream prep programs like CERT.
Good luck with that.

I mean, I agree that it would be good, but...

If we could just get the average person here in hurricaneland to follow the standard advice about keeping 3 days worth of supplies on hand, I'd be ecstatic.
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...one thing I've noticed about people in conversations I've had with them. They don't think in terms of bigger events like that. It's too far out of their comfort zone, so they resort to the "it can't happen to me" defense mechanism. There's no getting through that wall...
MikeK, I truly understand what you are talking about! The way I try to wake people up now is slow and gentle. I just plant a small thought or two at a time and leave it at that. Eventually they either ask another question or are reminded of what I said by a news story. So far I'm "converting" about one person per month to very light prepping (3 to 21 days of bug in supplies.)

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I was ground zero for the LA Riots. The National Guard didn't even bring ammo with them... and didn't deploy till day 4. (They like to say they deployed day 3.)

By that time... armed citizens had already taken the city back by themselves. The looters and gang bangers were scared sh-tless when they suddenly found out what training and firepower meant.

And damn those Koreans were good.
Heh, yes I've seen the YouTube videos and read some of the real accounts of what happened in the LA Riots that the msm didn't report. If the SHTF that way again I'd like to be surrounded by those Koreans!

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...If we could just get the average person here in hurricaneland to follow the standard advice about keeping 3 days worth of supplies on hand, I'd be ecstatic...
I hear what you are saying. I am not aware of any place that has had different results but this next year I may have a chance to motivate people to prep for disasters locally. We'll see if I can find a way to improve overall preparedness in the community.
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It is my opinion that if a s.h.t.f. or teotwawki event happened help would be several days if not weeks away. cities would be overrun by looters and gangs and after the food and water ran out they would head out to suburbs and smaller towns and villiges.after that country folk would take care of the problem......
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good post i agree with you
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It is my opinion that if a s.h.t.f. or teotwawki event happened help would be several days if not weeks away. cities would be overrun by looters and gangs and after the food and water ran out they would head out to suburbs and smaller towns and villiges.after that country folk would take care of the problem......
Yes we would.
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It depends on the disaster.
Do me a favor, and repeat that sentence in every other thread here.


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In Fla for the past couple of years at the start of each hurricane season there has been an ad campaign "The first 72 is on you" trying to point out that in the aftermath of a significant storm nobody is going to be there for a while. Those of us who have been through a couple tend to get ready those that haven't get hammered. I must admit to a tad bit of amusement at all the people with "hurricane amnesia" who have been through one but think it can't happen again. Probably the same folks who think that denial is a river in Egypt.
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It is my opinion that if a s.h.t.f. or teotwawki event happened help would be several days if not weeks away. cities would be overrun by looters and gangs and after the food and water ran out they would head out to suburbs and smaller towns and villiges.after that country folk would take care of the problem......
If TEOTWAWKI occurs I think you will be waiting a bit longer
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We're at risk where I live to a Cascadia Subduction Zone Event...superthrust earthquake and tsunami.

We have already been 'advised' that it may take six months to get relief...

I live 200 feet above the ocean on bedrock so no problem there (generally speaking LOL).

I have prepared accordingly...
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I lived in Florida for a few years, and we had a few hurricanes EVERY year.
EVERY time one was on the way, the stores sold out of water, flashlights, batteries, caned food, etc. Some people refuse to be ready, no matter what the risk.
You can't fix stupid
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I always love the statment from freinds etc. "man it the shtf Im coming to your house." I just dont have the heart to tell "ok, but I wont be here."
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I wasnt in country during the LA riots.. and never heard about the Koreans.

I remember when I think it was rita was announced that it might hit Texas, where I lived at that the time. I stopped at the grocery store for some odds and ends and found the place packed. this was the same day it was announced and a week before it was due to hit. every store in a hundred miles was out of bottled water and running short on lots of stuff.

I was talking to a friend on my cell as I walked down an aisle watching people scoop bags of rice into carts already loaded with ramen noodles and other products that needed water to cook, panicing about where to get water. I finally stopped and suggested to several they go over to walmart and buy those big fifty gallon trash cans, take them home and fill them up with water. and buy stuff that didnt need water to eat, if at all possible.. the looks I got.. I mean please . they have had years with out a hurricane and should have been ready. and here with a week to go forgot they still had water running at home and could buy containers to fill up. it only got worse as the week wound down and the hurricane swept in on us.

wasnt fun to watch a huge city and the surrounding towns freak out and panic so badly. but after Katrina they were running scared.

just a side note.. two days before it hit I drove around looking, most of the place was deserted. it was a ghost town. stopped at a gas station I usually used , and three cars were sitting with what looked like gang bangers standing around it. I lived outside of houston at the time so that wasnt something we usually saw. I pulled up on the other side, and saw a woman inside. who begged me to get her out of there. she was scared crapless of the punks. I gave her a lift to the sherriffs department. seems that the company, one of the big ones.. demanded she stay behind and tend to a store that was empty and out of gas or lose her job. after the punks showed up she decided to lose her job instead of her life. they were out of gas and ticked off.

sorry I know thats off topic.. but it still ticks me that a company would pull that kind of crap. now back to our regularly scheduled topic.. LOL
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my greatest "problem" is that i have an elderly mother who relies completely on me. i honestly don't know how i am going to be able to save her the day after. it weighs heavily on my mind.
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I think most people interviewed have probably only dealt with disasters in movies. In the movies, the gov't has stepped in and saved the world in 90 minutes and it always has a happy ending.

I am giving them 90 minutes to save the world or I am writing my congressman.
Simple as that.

Take that establishment!
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Some folks just seem to be out of touch with reality.

What's the saying?
Call for an ambulance, the police and a pizza.
Which one shows up first?

I've been in car accidents where it took several hours for the police to show up.
I'd think that it would be more hectic in a disaster.
But that's just me.
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We live in a cyclone zone and ealier this season the govt. put ads in the papers and on tv advising people to stock up on 3 weeks worth of water and food. Do you think ANYONE took notice?

Most people are just plain stupid or lazy. Probably both. If people think they have the right to have assistance when they have been neglectful of clear warnings to be prepared, then they deserve what ever trouble they bring upon themselves. I'm not being harsh here, it's a law of nature, you reap what you sow.
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People who have this someone-is-coming attitude know nothing about history. Who came to help the people of Pompei? Who gave assistance after the 1812 earthquake on the New Madrid fault that shook several states and turned the Mississippi River around? Who rode to the rescue when 50% of the population died during the plague years? People aren't capable of caring for themselves anymore, and they're going to be in deep doodle.
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