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Old 09-21-2020, 12:58 PM
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If you are defending your are not chasing.
Holding your ground is defensive.
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If you are defending your are not chasing.
Holding your ground is defensive.
That only applies to ranged defensive tools like firearms.
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Regardless of what organs have been punctured, and how devastating the injury is to the life of the pincushion in question, the wound from a sidesword looks rather unremarkable compared to the butchery one might expect from a sword designed to cut.
I have a couple of those items. Neither is of smallsword configuration. One would approximate the old falchion... (As in, "Me fight, pieces come off!!!)
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Its good to have options.

You never know who or why someone may intrude on
your privacy, and oftentimes a bunch of bullets will only
make things worse. Here is one of them...

Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old woman, was fatally shot by Louisville Metro Police Department (LMPD) officers Jonathan Mattingly, Brett Hankison, and Myles Cosgrove on March 13, 2020. The officers entered her apartment in Louisville, Kentucky, executing a search warrant. The officers knocked before forcing entry, but how or if the officers announced their identity before forcing entry is in dispute. Taylor's boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, fired a gun at the officers he believed to be intruders, who fired over 20 shots in turn. Taylor was shot six times in the hallway of her apartment,[2][3][4][5] and Mattingly was injured by gunfire.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...Breonna_Taylor

If Kenneth had ambushed them with his sword, his girl friend would
still be alive today. Who knows, maybe he may have identified them
as Police, and dropped his sword?

I am not saying he should have used a sword, just that its good to have
options.
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If Kenneth had ambushed them with his sword, his girl friend would
still be alive today.
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How do you figure?

I mean....being completely unarmed isn't enough to protect you from getting shot by cops...I don't think they would have thought twice if there was a sword instead of a gun.

And if it was a home invasion by thieves instead of cops, same outcome. Sword vs gun always ends the same way unless the swordman is attacking by surprise, and from very close range.

The only thing that may have saved them was better security system and hardened door.
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How do you figure?

I mean....being completely unarmed isn't enough to protect you from getting shot by cops...I don't think they would have thought twice if there was a sword instead of a gun.

And if it was a home invasion by thieves instead of cops, same outcome. Sword vs gun always ends the same way unless the swordman is attacking by surprise, and from very close range.

The only thing that may have saved them was better security system and hardened door.
He fired blindly at them.

He didn't know who he was firing at, then they didn't.

That's my point.

If you are indoors, in close quarters, and you ambush your
attackers, at very close range, will they be firing 20 rounds
blindly? Not likely.

If they have time, it will be 20 rounds into you. But only
if they have time.

Have you heard of the 21 foot rule?

Officers throughout the United States have heard use of force instructors discuss the “21 Foot Rule” during their officer safety, firearms and deadly force training. As a use of force instructor and a forensic police practices expert, I have trained and testified to this concept myself.

In 1983, the concept’s founder, Salt Lake City PD police firearms instructor Lt. John Tueller (Ret.) set up a drill where he placed a “suspect” armed with an edged weapon 20 or so feet away from an officer with a holstered sidearm. He then directed the armed suspect to run toward the officer in attack mode. The training objective was to determine whether the officer could draw and accurately fire upon the assailant before the suspect stabbed them. After repeating the drill numerous times, Tueller wrote an article wherein he opined that it was entirely possible for a suspect armed with an edged weapon to successfully and fatally engage an officer armed with a handgun within a distance of 21 feet. The “21 Foot Rule” concept was born and soon spread throughout the law enforcement community almost like a virus. It is interesting to note that even Tueller does not know where the term “21 Foot Rule” came from.

Tueller never imagined when he designed his simple firearms training drill that, 30 years later, the 21 Foot Rule would eventually become a police doctrine that is taught and testified to hundreds of times a year. So, is the 21 Foot Rule a forensic fact or a police myth?

If we are dealing with critical issues of officer safety and deadly force, it is important that we seek to arrive at the factual basis of any tactic which some consider to be steadfast dogma to see if it can be forensically defended during training and in court.

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Now imagine inside a house where its often less than 21 feet.
Then imagine using a short sword which has a large advantage over
a knife.

Put this all together and it equals relevance for a short sword in
the modern world.
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Have you heard of the 21 foot rule?
Have you heard "Teach your grandma to suck eggs?"


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He fired blindly at them.

He didn't know who he was firing at, then they didn't.

That's my point.
My point is that if they got the door open and saw a black man holding a sword they would have killed him and everything else in his room the same as if he had a gun. Once police decide they are coming for you, it's you or them, there is no middle ground. There is nothing you can hold in your hand that will provide you with safety against a home invasion, that also won't get you instantly sprayed with bullets if it's the police instead who are breaking down your door.

As was once famously said, "you can't resist the police just a little".

Like I say every time I get on my home defense soapbox, before anyone drops $500 on a new glock, they should spend a couple hundred fortifying their house. Make your doors and windows so tough that its going to take home invaders of any variety so long to get inside that you will know without a doubt who they are and why they are there before you need to decide if you are going to shoot them or not.

Stun guns, mace, batons, rubber bullets, swords etc, all leave you at a great disadvantage against a criminal with a gun, while also still marking you as a deadly threat to police.
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Have you heard "Teach your grandma to suck eggs?"




My point is that if they got the door open and saw a black man holding a sword they would have killed him and everything else in his room the same as if he had a gun. Once police decide they are coming for you, it's you or them, there is no middle ground. There is nothing you can hold in your hand that will provide you with safety against a home invasion, that also won't get you instantly sprayed with bullets if it's the police instead who are breaking down your door.

As was once famously said, "you can't resist the police just a little".

Like I say every time I get on my home defense soapbox, before anyone drops $500 on a new glock, they should spend a couple hundred fortifying their house. Make your doors and windows so tough that its going to take home invaders of any variety so long to get inside that you will know without a doubt who they are and why they are there before you need to decide if you are going to shoot them or not.

Stun guns, mace, batons, rubber bullets, swords etc, all leave you at a great disadvantage against a criminal, while also still marking you as a deadly threat to police.
Wrong.

Lets take your scenario. Instead of mine.

They break down the door.

They see a guy with a sword.

(not the sword is hitting them)

So they see the guy with the sword, then they yell,
drop the sword.

The guy with the sword, then knows its the police,
and he drops the sword.

Much better than shooting blindly.
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Maybe in Mayberry.

In 2020 America the cops are dumping their mags at the first sight of anything in his hand. I dare you to find any cop who will give someone the benefit of the doubt these days to anyone in a target location with a weapon in hand. They've all been trained in the 21 foot rule too remember

But lets say its not the cops, its just your regular scumbags with hi-points.

Same outcome.

Only scenario where you walk away with a sword from such an encounter is if it's not the police, but just regular scumbags, who don't have guns, and aren't better swordfighters than you are.
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Sword, no too bulky and not easily concealed. A light Saber yes. I would carry a light saber.
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I've been on the fence about one of those.

Do they come with a charger or are the accessories extra?
Can they be worn in the shower?
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Maybe in Mayberry.

In 2020 America the cops are dumping their mags at the first sight of anything in his hand. I dare you to find any cop who will give someone the benefit of the doubt these days to anyone in a target location with a weapon in hand. They've all been trained in the 21 foot rule too remember

But lets say its not the cops, its just your regular scumbags with hi-points.

Same outcome.

Only scenario where you walk away with a sword from such an encounter is if it's not the police, but just regular scumbags, who don't have guns, and aren't better swordfighters than you are.

You go ahead and believe the Media if you want.

I don't live in Baltimore or Chicago.

Even if I believed the Media, I am not Black.

Over here on the Eastern Shore of Maryland and in Delaware
we have Cops taking armed people into custody every week
without "dumping their whole mags" into them.
Its just not in the news, so people like you don't think
it happens.
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And the other extreme. What were these cops thinking?

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A light Saber yes. I would carry a light saber.
You MUST build your own. Since there is no known source of kyber crystals in our galaxy that may be hard to do.
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In Africa machetes are commonly used in tribal war , crime etc.


So Swords maybe semi relevant in places where fire arms are uncommon.
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