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Old 05-27-2020, 10:52 AM
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This is the most recent step in smart deregulation in the health system, where the Trump administration has promised to ensure highest-quality care at affordable cost for our most vulnerable population, including our elders.
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this is HUGE, almost all my senior friends complain about the high cost of insulin.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...iors-diabetes/
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A question:

How is enforcing a price cap on insulin co-pays DEregulation?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm just curious if I'm using the same language everybody else uses.
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Why are people being asked to subsidize other people's poor lifestyle choices? Some people (type 1) have a genetic issue that requires insulin. The rest (type 2) made poor choices and made themselves sick. Now, both categories "need" insulin, causing demand.

The free market has plenty of pressures that push healthy lifestyles for the Type 2 patients, who are the vast majority, and would reduce demand massively. Instead, we intervene and subsidize poor choices, which only serves to keep more people dependent on insulin, and props up the price pressure.

The more we try to step in and "help," the more people we hurt. Is Trump the most capable manager of implementing bad ideas in the best way possible? Probably. But they're still bad ideas.
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It is deregulation because it now allows insulin price to be negotiated. Under old law medicare drug prices were not negotiable.
This is only for insulin. Democrat plan was for other drugs also.
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The President would have to cure diabetes before the corrupt media would give him fair coverage.
Probably not even then.
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It is deregulation because it now allows insulin price to be negotiated.

Under old law medicare drug prices were not negotiable.

This is only for insulin. Democrat plan was for other drugs also.
^ Big pharma being deregulated by negotiation is beneficial for the average Joe.

Don't tell Joe about it tho.
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Just allow for the importation of drugs from foreign countries. You think a Mexican pays US prices for insulin? No way Jose.
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So this is the kind of stuff the President has been asking of the House of Representatives to do

They've been hell bent to either impeach him, fat shame him and/or work on House Bills to give funding to illegal ALIENS (yeah I said that)

So he signs an Executive Order to get this done!


I know who I'm voting for....
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In 2009, the list price for a 10-milliliter vial of Humalog, a fast-acting insulin made by Eli Lilly, was about $93. Today it costs closer to $275. Similarly, Novo Nordisk's fast-acting insulin Novolog cost almost $93 for a 10-milliliter vial in 2009. Today, it costs about $290.
Same insulin, 10 years later, triple in price.

https://www.businessinsider.com/insu...e-chart-2019-9
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Same insulin, 10 years later, triple in price.

https://www.businessinsider.com/insu...e-chart-2019-9
It's the law of supply and demand. Demand has increased, so price has increased.
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It's the law of supply and demand. Demand has increased, so price has increased.
Bull****.

They've got people over a barrel. Get the insulin or die so people pay WHATEVER it costs. Or they ration it and die. What, big pharma can't ramp up production and charge a measly TWICE what it was in 2009?

Price fixing, monopoly, collusion.
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The high price is in the us. I can cross the border to Canada and get it for 1/10th the price. There s no shortage.

While drug importation is illegal it is not widely enforced for rx drugs for personal use. Customs will allow you to cross with 3 month supply, it is their policy. Canadian online pharmacies ship from overseas sources. Also on a 3 month basis. I have never had a problem although the first shipment may take extra time for set up and confirming paperwork. With covid19 i have heard of less supply available for shipment but that is anecdotal. Also rare instances of shipments being held by customs but i never had a problem. Insulin used to be shipped from great britain in a cooler but some years ago they stopped, insulin is still available from overseas but at higher prices. Since i am near the border going up there is my cheapest option.
Using pen injectors instead of vial and syringe is 30-100% more expensive.
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