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Old 05-03-2020, 12:49 PM
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"Essential Workers" is not a check box on any Death Certificate.
LOL. You mean because there is no check box on any Death Certificate there is no way human beings could ever figure out this plague is so deadly that being deemed 'an essential worker' does not stop thousands who violate social distancing rules die by the thousands. Gotcha!
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This speech from Rand Paul talks of numerous scientific studies indicating the antibody is in 25-50x more of the population than has been confirmed to have Cvirus. This translates into a mortality rate 0.1-0.2%.

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This speech from Rand Paul talks of numerous scientific studies indicating the antibody is in 25-50x more of the population than has been confirmed to have Cvirus. This translates into a mortality rate 0.1-0.2%.

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This is exactly the kinds of facts about the virus we needed before shutting down the economy.

I had read several of these studies, but since I am trained as an ME (mechanical engineer), not a MD, I was afraid I was missing something.

Not only is the death rate from this virus Tiny, a very large precentage of our population have already gotten it, beaten it, and now have anti bodies.
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Plus Rand Paul is a medical doctor
He has worked as an ER doctor and an eye surgeon
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NY has added to its previous antibody testing of 3000 samples. 15,000 samples have now been evaluated. Results have remained consistent. 12.3% of sampled individuals tested positive for wuhan-19 antibodies. Either infection is far more widespread and mortality is much lower than previously thought or people are developing antibodies in response to exposure to something like antigens or virus particles lacking disease producing capacity. Either way it's good news.

Oddly (or not) it's not making a lot of headlines.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national...rus-antibodies
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NY has added to its previous antibody testing of 3000 samples. 15,000 samples have now been evaluated. Results have remained consistent. 12.3% of sampled individuals tested positive for wuhan-19 antibodies. Either infection is far more widespread and mortality is much lower than previously thought or people are developing antibodies in response to exposure to something like antigens or virus particles lacking disease producing capacity. Either way it's good news.

Oddly (or not) it's not making a lot of headlines.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national...rus-antibodies
Probably because there isn't certainty that those antibodies makes one immune to all strains of the virus. Considering its close kinship with the common cold, that's an important detail to find out.
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Probably because there isn't certainty that those antibodies makes one immune to all strains of the virus. Considering its close kinship with the common cold, that's an important detail to find out.
It is important. While studies have been limited, they do show some level of acquired immunity. My niece is an LPN. She had the wuhan virus and is now back at work in the same environment where she caught it. 17 days and doing fine. Granted, she (my canary in a coal mine) is a sample of one which means nothing. That said, I'm more swayed by what I'm not seeing. Specifically, large numbers of confirmed reinfection. There are thousands of people like her.

It's also important to understand there's a difference between immunity, resistance, and tolerance which seems to go over people's heads no matter how often it's explained. Recovery from pathogens doesn't always translate to lifetime immunity. Taking your own example of the common cold. Some catch it annually. Doesn't kill very many. Once upon a time it too was a novel virus. Now, most people have a long history of exposure and some level of resistance or tolerance. Evolution is an arms race.
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“There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,” Birx said, according to two of the people.
frustrated with the CDC’s antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent,
Amazing!
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It is important. While studies have been limited, they do show some level of acquired immunity. My niece is an LPN. She had the wuhan virus and is now back at work in the same environment where she caught it. 17 days and doing fine. Granted, she (my canary in a coal mine) is a sample of one which means nothing. That said, I'm more swayed by what I'm not seeing. Specifically, large numbers of confirmed reinfection. There are thousands of people like her.

It's also important to understand there's a difference between immunity, resistance, and tolerance which seems to go over people's heads no matter how often it's explained. Recovery from pathogens doesn't always translate to lifetime immunity. Taking your own example of the common cold. Some catch it annually. Doesn't kill very many. Once upon a time it too was a novel virus. Now, most people have a long history of exposure and some level of resistance or tolerance. Evolution is an arms race.
So I heard today... (I have a relative who works in local hospital). That last weekend they had received a patient, under 40, previously sick with corona virus but was cured weeks ago. Now he/she was again sick and was brought to ER but I guess the mindset was that since patiend already had corona it must be something else... and test was positive.

I don't have more details than that, and even that much is not really "public" knowledge since it could be singled out to certain person.

Anyways, that incident was the reason why personnel not in "corona duty" but doing their regular work need to wear even more protective gear now, because that day everyone from EMTs to technicians in radiology were exposed and now they are quarantined at home for couple weeks...
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People that refuse to respect social distancing, and masking and hand washing are the ones responsible for making this last longer than it should.
I had a job that every one had to wear masks and full bunny suit all day. it is the cost of doing business.
I have an extraordinary immune system but the person I take care of is not so well off.
I do not wish weaker people harm, but with proper respect for one another there is no reason we cannot go back to work.
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People that refuse to respect social distancing, and masking and hand washing are the ones responsible for making this last longer than it should.
I had a job that every one had to wear masks and full bunny suit all day. it is the cost of doing business.
I have an extraordinary immune system but the person I take care of is not so well off.
I do not wish weaker people harm, but with proper respect for one another there is no reason we cannot go back to work.
Your more likely to convince the Irish to stop drinking....
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