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I hope I dont get too much flack for asking this. But with all of the gadgets that some have in their lives, and the ability for those gadgets to be quite usefull in the SHTF scenarios. What is the consensus on smart phones and laptops?

Smart phone - In a SHTF situation many apps would be usefull, or created for our prepping purposes. Along with the ability to store maps and all other information. Also I would assume(correct me if I am wrong) that GPS capabilities would still function for a time.

Laptops - I see this as being able to store massive ammounts of videos on all subjects Preping/Survival related.

I understand that old tech(books) are a little more hardy and have better longevity, but if the BOB plan has the ability to grab that also I think it would be a very good weight investment. By no means am I not going to plan to have a very large library to my BOL. Of course power is an issue, but there are many off the shelf solar panel chargers that can fix that. Ok Im done what say all of you?
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Man those high tech things with pages I think they are called books? But seriously I dont think you will be able to power a laptop or keep it functional.
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High tech devices will be inventions that make life easier, like an ozonator for water or a gasifier to run a generator or a car.
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how bout a bicycle generator, or water/wind turbine, one ''shtf gadget'' i plan on getting is a wikireader, for after the internet is down http://www.thewikireader.com/
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I also didn't take into consideration EMP. Is there a way to guard them withought the protective covering being grounded. I thought that tracking might be an issue if the the cell network was still functioning (doubtfull if I am bugging out), but that is easily turned off.
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they make portable solar chargers



might want to look into the solar gorilla and the power gorilla
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I also didn't take into consideration EMP. Is there a way to guard them withought the protective covering being grounded. I thought that tracking might be an issue if the the cell network was still functioning (doubtfull if I am bugging out), but that is easily turned off.

I have a closet thats basically a faraday cage made from small ringed chicken wire on the inside. In theory it should protect what i have stored from EMPs.
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I have seen those before. I just assumed that it would be easier to pack/prep that then try to get a solar system to your BOL if you didnt have it and it need to be there PDQ. I say it is an interm solution till I get my BOL outfitted with big pannel solar/storage system.
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I cant remember, but does the cage need to be grounded? And would an anti static bag work as well
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how bout a bicycle generator, or water/wind turbine, one ''shtf gadget'' i plan on getting is a wikireader, for after the internet is down http://www.thewikireader.com/
Having bicycles is part of my bug out plan. There was a post a few days ago about a bike generator and how easy it is to fabricate with scavenged parts.
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I cant remember, but does the cage need to be grounded? And would an anti static bag work as well
All the instructions I have read including my radio knowledge ,
a . chicken wire is not good enough
b. asolutely not being grounded is very important .
A metal filing cabinet or locker setting on wood is the best enclosure .
also , the inside needs to be inuslated in such a way as that the contence inside do not contact the metal in any way ,so either glass, plastic, or wood walls on the interrior will serve this purpouse. Card bord might work in a pnch but the humidity might create a path through the paper unless it is waxed.
When I shut off my lap top heading for work I put it in the filing cabinet on my way out .
My radios and other electronics are also in filing cabinets and steel lockers for more than just EMP, so they have a dual function.
Wiring leading to any thing inside the metal cabinet will jepordize what is inside , so if you want to save your big screen , when your done using it unplug and close the doors with every thing tucked inside .
Personally , if I owned a flat screen ,I'd build a metal cabinet in the wall and a sliding door that had a picture ( really cheap painting )mounted on to hide the TVs existance.
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I can see the usefulness of an e reader for keeping a bunch of knowledge or something, as long as there are hardcopy backups. But I tend to avoid high tech gadgets for several reasons. One of which is that high tech gadgets do one thing better than anything that preceded them; let you down when you need them the most.

It's evident every time they rescue hikers lost only a few miles from their car. Because they counted on their GPS and it went out. Where if they had maps, a compass and a modicum of map reading skill as a backup, it would have been avoidable.

Personally, my BOB it to get me to to BOL. I don't need any gadgets to do that. I have plenty of books at the BOL. Not having gadgets just means the pack is lighter and I can move faster and farther. The only "gadgets" that I have in the pack is a small solar battery charger for my flashlight and radio batteries.
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I've heard it both ways. But any time you see shielded circuitry, the shield is grounded to give the charge a place to drain off.
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I also didn't take into consideration EMP. Is there a way to guard them withought the protective covering being grounded. I thought that tracking might be an issue if the the cell network was still functioning (doubtfull if I am bugging out), but that is easily turned off.
It is not at all clear that you must ground a Faraday cage. I have thought about how to protect an e-book or webbook or whatever in an aluminum case of some type.

Assuming I can create such a thing, I wouldn't be the least bit worried about grounding it. From what I've read, grounding a Faraday cage is technically a difficult thing to do right, such that you don't conduct an EMP pulse right to your cage with the ground wire.

If one's really concerned about that, they can use nested Faraday cages.
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any body tried the wiki reader!!?? or even know what it is?? if not check it out, its like all of wikipedia (not the most reliable source of info) but its a huge bank of info, and needs no internet, i thought it was a good idea for preps guess not
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I don't think you'll find a consensus! Each person's answer will depend on their situation, the value they place on each gadget, the scenarios they are considering prepping for, money and resources, and other factors.

I travel for work, 50+ trips/year, so my every day carry includes a laptop, a Toughbook U1, and a Blackberry. I carry a half dozen thumb drives as backup, and a second battery for the laptop. If I'm going somewhere power will be an issue, I bring a Brunton 26 watt folding solar panel. Yes, it's over 10 pounds of electronics.

In my analysis, only an EMP or CME would prevent me from accessing all of the cool data and useful applications, so my gadgets are included in my planning.

My backup plan is a paper library, and a couple of old computers in a grounded metal cabinet in my basement.

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I hope I dont get too much flack for asking this. But with all of the gadgets that some have in their lives, and the ability for those gadgets to be quite usefull in the SHTF scenarios. What is the consensus on smart phones and laptops?

Smart phone - In a SHTF situation many apps would be usefull, or created for our prepping purposes. Along with the ability to store maps and all other information. Also I would assume(correct me if I am wrong) that GPS capabilities would still function for a time.

Laptops - I see this as being able to store massive ammounts of videos on all subjects Preping/Survival related.

I understand that old tech(books) are a little more hardy and have better longevity, but if the BOB plan has the ability to grab that also I think it would be a very good weight investment. By no means am I not going to plan to have a very large library to my BOL. Of course power is an issue, but there are many off the shelf solar panel chargers that can fix that. Ok Im done what say all of you?
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any body tried the wiki reader!!?? or even know what it is?? if not check it out, its like all of wikipedia (not the most reliable source of info) but its a huge bank of info, and needs no internet, i thought it was a good idea for preps guess not
To bring a old thread back from the dead...

If anyone wants a wikireader they're being sold on ebay for 20 bucks shipped (in the U.S)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pandigital-W...item336f4aad4a

I am not sure how long this deal will last.

You can upgrade it to a 16gb sd card and put "Project Gutenberg " on it . This will give you 36,000 books+wiki.

Batteries on this are rated to last 1 year.

I plan on hacking mine and putting a solar cell on the back. It should last almost forever.
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i will always carry my iphone ... i have all of my survival info on notes as well as survival apps for reading when im bored ... info is part of my edc ... i have a small portable charger with small solar panel. The mapping system will be useless if the general grid goes down due to teh mapping information being via 3G net ... however GPS system will still work and i have listed key GPS locations to the notes on my phone ... so my sat nav program will work ...

i have addresses and details listed ... and is all to hand ... its all listed with my bug out back ... however if i cant get to there ... i have it listed on me
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I agree with Mike we are going old school, maps, compass and an understanding of Astrology. We also have a three ring binder full of any information we might possibly need. If you strictly go tech the chances of it breaking, or you loosing it (someone steals it), or the batteries die are just too numerous to me to have them as our primary source of information. The best gadget in my opinion is my brain.
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My plan is to have some hard copies but 1 wikireader or tablet computer could hold more information than a library. Its a hard tool to give up over fears that it might not work.



Battery life on a wikireader is a year and black/white ereaders are rated in months. One cheap small solar cell could keep these running for more than most people life after teotwawki.

Laptops and phones on the other hand will be a harder addiction to add to a bob.

Over all hard copies of information are not damage proof too.
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