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A rich guy with a private army imposing his will on the populace is a government. It is called a monarchy. Our founders found it so unpalatable that they fought and died to resist it.
That is the point I was trying to make with my line of questions. Peaceful anarchy based upon a shared code of ethics is a naive pipe dream.
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The problem with government IS that might makes right, but only so long as you're the government. Saying that we should denounce Voluntaryism because it may result in government is absurdity at its height.
There is no may about it, anarchy WILL result in some form of government. Far better for it to be the limited government of a constitutional republic than being subject to the whims of whoever is bloodthirsty and wealthy enough to seize control.
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If you want a debate after this, go to the other thread.
I hope you realize that your other thread got combined into this one. For good reason to I might add.
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If you want a debate after this, go to the other thread.

Arbitration agencies are held responsible by my rights enforcement agency because if they try to screw them over they will lose future business. Also, the arbitration agency would not be the one responsible for the damages, and splitting the baby is not even considered a successful mediation. I get the feeling that you know very little about this. All of this is handled by my rights enforcement agency and the rights enforcement agency of the other person when applicable, in cooperation with an arbitration agency as a neutral third party. .............


Actually, monarchies were only successful because of ignorant masses who believed in the divine right to rule as well as caste systems. Another reason to believe that government is nothing more than a religion.
If I'm reading you right, your arbitration and rights enforcement agencies would be something like insurance companies for your property rights? Given that your philosophy only allows for the use of force for defense, what do this agencies have the authority to do if the other party refuses to cooperate, particularly in a case where both parties may claim that they are within their rights? I suppose that all members/clients of the agency could refuse to do business with the offending party, but if that doesn't work, what else?

Also, how do you intend to keep your agencies from morphing into a pseudo-goventment over time? Even if the original constitution/charter of the agency were written to prevent this, there are many organizations today working towards goals in complete opposition to those which they were formed to promote.



How do you propose to keep the population from devolving into "ignorant masses" once again? Without compulsory education there would need to be a very negative social stigma, or economic dis-incentive, against ignorance. Certainly without a welfare state to fall back on the desire to eat may do some of this, but the level of ambition needed to keep one's belly full and a roof over his head may not necessarily translate into the wisdom needed in order to avoid being taken in by a would-be tyrant. Many people are followers by nature, how do we avoid a leader becoming a king, and a king a tyrant with the power to infringe upon the rights of those not voluntarily his followers?



Your philosophy is appealing. I've always refered to this thinking either as "right-wing anarchism" or "hard-core libertarianism". I'm not however, convinced it would work except perhaps in areas that are so sparsely populated as to naturally limit the amount of conflict between people and groups. How do you believe your system would function in areas like Chicago or Detroit? Wouldn't it lead to people banding together for protection, essentially forming either gangs or little dictatorships constantly in conflict with each other?
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How does an ancap society address issues related to destruction or pollution of the commons?

I find the idea of the ancap vision appealing - but I think that in practice any such society would immediately devolve into a kind of feudalism. You would still have government because humans will continue to organize themselves into groups that wield group authority in their geographic region.

For example, say you have a peaceful ancap town, where everyone voluntarily agrees to dispose of their sewage waste into some community waste treatment plant for processing. And then some newcomer comes to town and says 'the heck with that, I'm taking a dump where I like, and I don't care if my crap ends up in your drinking water'. Well that newcomer is going to pretty quickly discover that there is an activist meddling government in anarchist town after all.
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How does an ancap society address issues related to destruction or pollution of the commons?

I find the idea of the ancap vision appealing - but I think that in practice any such society would immediately devolve into a kind of feudalism. You would still have government because humans will continue to organize themselves into groups that wield group authority in their geographic region.

For example, say you have a peaceful ancap town, where everyone voluntarily agrees to dispose of their sewage waste into some community waste treatment plant for processing. And then some newcomer comes to town and says 'the heck with that, I'm taking a dump where I like, and I don't care if my crap ends up in your drinking water'. Well that newcomer is going to pretty quickly discover that there is an activist meddling government in anarchist town after all.
I'll address this further when I'm able to write a larger post, but anarcho-capitalism is not the lack of government. It is a lack of government that forcefully imposes itself on others.

I'll leave a few videos here to spur further debate and answer a few concerns at the same time (since a mod obviously would rather have a huge slugfest than separate threads for education and debate). I promise that I'll respond to every concern in this thread personally when I have time, probably this weekend.





The article corresponding to the last video, for those would rather read than listen: http://mises.org/daily/1855
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