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Old 10-25-2019, 03:07 PM
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Wow mountain thats quite an effort. My big decision is get thick cut or regular bacon. Yeah thick cut.
I've got a few chops, think I'll make tonkatsu, breaded and fried like a chicken fried steak and with tonkatsu sauce. Leftovers made into tonkatsu domburi rice bowl.
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One dollar for a 600 lb pig! Holy crap!
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Despite tariffs chinese importing us pork. Bacon shortage expected in 2020, pork bellies popular in china.
Really good example of how globalization has taken hold, and we're not insulated from what goes on in the rest of the world.

And makes me think of something I've been saying on the boards since long ago--- since the world is this greatly interconnected, maybe simply SHTF in a totally different, but large and important part of the world, could lead somehow to SHTF in our part.

In other words, it doesn't take a WWIII that we're part of, or a disease that starts in Africa but then arrives here. Instead, maybe just the ripple effects of an India, Russia, or China turning into a failed state could end up having some very bad negative effects on our own country. Effects like refugees or market effects, as discussed in the article.

Off-topic, but still apropos of China and globalization--- I'm remembering news stories that China started sending Chinese cops to Italy to protect its citizens who are tourists there. Maybe a little arrogant, maybe not. Anyway, I hope something like that doesn't spread here. I've had enough of Chinese interference and encroachment. Our own situation with our own cops is imperfect enough, without there being an entire different group of foreigner cops added to our country, who maybe have contempt for us, and don't understand our language very well. Cops are tricky enough without there being foreign, enemy cops added to your state. Can't say I'd feel really confident having them around during a slow decline, pre-apocalypse, or SHTF.

You may roll your eyes and say "It can't happen here..." But how many other things have you said that about?
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I buy what I can and then I am done, it is not uncommon to see several 600 to 900 pound boars and even sows get down to a $1 bid and not sell after I am done buying the hogs I can handle..... It is hard not to bid on those, one time I left with a 500 pound boar, a 970 pound sow, a 600 something pound boar and a 600 something sow. I put the smaller sow in the back of the truck, I put the small boar in the front of the horse trailer which is "supposed" to be for tack and saddle storage and I put the two 600 pounder's side by side in the two stalls. I could have boughten more had I way to haul them or a means to keep them for a while. As it was I was wayyyyyy overloaded and had to tie the wife's wheelchair to the top of the canopy for the ride home.

Wish I had a good way to pick them up and feed them for a bit and sell them to other people for a good deal, but the hauling, penning and feeding of a number of oversize boars is no small feat...
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Really good example of how globalization has taken hold, and we're not insulated from what goes on in the rest of the world.

And makes me think of something I've been saying on the boards since long ago--- since the world is this greatly interconnected, maybe simply SHTF in a totally different, but large and important part of the world, could lead somehow to SHTF in our part.

In other words, it doesn't take a WWIII that we're part of, or a disease that starts in Africa but then arrives here. Instead, maybe just the ripple effects of an India, Russia, or China turning into a failed state could end up having some very bad negative effects on our own country. Effects like refugees or market effects, as discussed in the article.

Off-topic, but still apropos of China and globalization--- I'm remembering news stories that China started sending Chinese cops to Italy to protect its citizens who are tourists there. Maybe a little arrogant, maybe not. Anyway, I hope something like that doesn't spread here. I've had enough of Chinese interference and encroachment. Our own situation with our own cops is imperfect enough, without there being an entire different group of foreigner cops added to our country, who maybe have contempt for us, and don't understand our language very well. Cops are tricky enough without there being foreign, enemy cops added to your state. Can't say I'd feel really confident having them around during a slow decline, pre-apocalypse, or SHTF.

You may roll your eyes and say "It can't happen here..." But how many other things have you said that about?
I'm going to partially agree with you. As I see it the U.S. produces a tremendous amount of food. Probably enough that we could easily meet the caloric needs of everyone expecially if we stopped exporting if we ran into a situation where we couldn't import.

I think we would also be able to have decent or at least near decent nutrition. As was mentioned in other threads a while back we have record cheese reserves right now although I'm not sure how far they would stretch with our current population. Where we would be at risk is fruit especially citrus and fish.

Right now apples are just wasted everywhere around my area. Lots of farms have apple trees as windbreaks and never pick an apple off a single tree. Citrus though is only able to be grown in a relatively small part of the country.

The Great Lakes were over fished for decades and then had hydro electric dams put in many of the rivers that feed them. Throw in the invasive species like zeba mussles and gobys and it's been devastating. At one time all of the resteraunts on the Lake Huron coast sold blue pike. Now there has been a $1,000 reward for anybody that catches one for years. Researchers also travel around norther WI and MN and through Canada trying to find them every time they hear rumors of them. So far none caught.

In case anyone doesn't know "running" is spawning. Smelt used to run to the point that you could spend an hour with a dip net and have enough to fill a bath tub easily. Now there is a two gallon limit and I don't even know anyone that dips them anymore because you can spend all day to get that much.

Salmon are going fast they just don't have the food in a lot of the lakes. Even 10 years ago people treated Lake Trout like Carp. If you caught one you threw it back it was just considered a trash fish. Now the Salmon population is so bad in Northern Lake Michigan and especially Lake Huron that the charter boats go out hoping for Lake Trout.

I can't imagine that the coastlines of the U.S. have fared any better.
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I'm going to partially agree with you. As I see it the U.S. produces a tremendous amount of food. Probably enough that we could easily meet the caloric needs of everyone expecially if we stopped exporting if we ran into a situation where we couldn't import.

I think we would also be able to have decent or at least near decent nutrition. As was mentioned in other threads a while back we have record cheese reserves right now although I'm not sure how far they would stretch with our current population. Where we would be at risk is fruit especially citrus and fish.

Right now apples are just wasted everywhere around my area. Lots of farms have apple trees as windbreaks and never pick an apple off a single tree. Citrus though is only able to be grown in a relatively small part of the country.

The Great Lakes were over fished for decades and then had hydro electric dams put in many of the rivers that feed them. Throw in the invasive species like zeba mussles and gobys and it's been devastating. At one time all of the resteraunts on the Lake Huron coast sold blue pike. Now there has been a $1,000 reward for anybody that catches one for years. Researchers also travel around norther WI and MN and through Canada trying to find them every time they hear rumors of them. So far none caught.

In case anyone doesn't know "running" is spawning. Smelt used to run to the point that you could spend an hour with a dip net and have enough to fill a bath tub easily. Now there is a two gallon limit and I don't even know anyone that dips them anymore because you can spend all day to get that much.

Salmon are going fast they just don't have the food in a lot of the lakes. Even 10 years ago people treated Lake Trout like Carp. If you caught one you threw it back it was just considered a trash fish. Now the Salmon population is so bad in Northern Lake Michigan and especially Lake Huron that the charter boats go out hoping for Lake Trout.

I can't imagine that the coastlines of the U.S. have fared any better.
No one around here seems to harvest apples either, nor the plums. We have an old railroad track that the tracks and ties have been removed from connecting several of our small towns together. Many of us use this as roadway to get to town and other places. The entire track is lined with apple and plum trees. I assume people way back when running the trains commonly had apples and plums in their meals and through the pits and cores out alongside the tracks as they traveled through leading to a great deal of these trees in the region alongside the tracks.

I drive the truck down the railroad path and fill up 80 pound gunny sacks full of apples and plums. The plums are crazy tart but they are great for making jellies, jams, pies and fruit juice. I just boil them up into a mash and then freeze them in old plastic peanut butter containers. I pull them out in the winter and unthaw them and use them to make fruit drinks like coolaid. The apples we eat and boil down and freeze like the plums. The rest we run through our juicer and make juice feeding the pulp to the hogs and or chickens. I have finished several hogs on a mix of wheat and lentil with 6 pounds or so of apple pulp a day. You want to talk about a good flavored hog... For the horses and goats I just step on the apples and crush them flat for them, they are easier for them to eat.
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I doubt there will be a shortage, increased prices?
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Global Authorities Brace For A Worldwide Protein Shortage As “One-Quarter Of Earth’s Pigs Have Been Wiped Out”
''The damage that African swine fever has wrecked on China’s pig population is hard to overstate. The country is home to half of all the pigs on the planet, and its herd has shrunk by around 130 million since the outbreak began about 13 months ago, according to a CNN Business analysis of data from the Chinese agricultural ministry. Many farmers are reluctant to restock pigs after they are slaughtered, fearing they’ll catch the disease.''

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That should answer your question.......
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Not surprised, they reputedly never practice any safety protocols within the outer perimeters of thier operations. My brother has done many projects there for western companies and has hours and hours of horror stories. It says it’s far worse than even behind the iron curtain. In WW3, the uniformly poor quality that is standard in thier purely domestic manufacturing will defeat their efforts more consistently than our efforts.

130 million hogs in 13 months? So much for thier agricultural tariffs on our products.
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While there is a record surplus of cheese, it amounts to less than 5 pounds per person.
I wonder how much cheese was stored before the big government cheese giveaway?
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While there is a record surplus of cheese, it amounts to less than 5 pounds per person.
I wonder how much cheese was stored before the big government cheese giveaway?
I don't remember for sure although the numbers were posted before. If I recall we had about half of the cheese in the 80s when Reagan got shamed into giving it out. Can't guess at our population though without looking it up.
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