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Remington R-25 made by Bushmaster for like $1200
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I wouldn't wright off the M1a just because of price. Yes, it is expensive, but if you are already spending $900+ on a FAL, an extra $300 (or $1500, depending on model) could be worth it.

I just got the Scout Squad 5 or 6 months ago and love it. Got mine in MT for about $1300 otd. It really is a high quality, accurate, FUN weapon! Love those iron sights (though I have a 6-20x40 mounted on a Sadlak at the moment)!

Unfortunately I don't own a FAL, but I have shot them, and would like to own one. Now, I don't know your financial situation, but if it were me I would save an extra couple weeks for the M1a.

Try getting your hands on one at the local range, and decide if it's worth it for you.
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I would love to get one of the norinco m-14s,but they are very rare here thanks to the anti gunners.
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This is what I have come up with so far:

Cetme - $500 from century arms, with hit and miss quality

Remington model 750 - $600 - $700

Century arms FAL Rifle R1A1 - $699, lots of complaints about poor quality

FAL G1 SA Sporter from J&G sales - $700, but its still a century arms product. Who do I go to for service after the sale?

FAL R1A1 Sporter from J&G sales - $679, - its a century arms product, lots of stories of poor quality.

This is the one I really like - Century arms Imbel FAL .308 Carbine - $909, lots of stories of poor customer service and poor quality.

PTR 91 - $1,100, a little above my budget.

DPMS Panther - $1,100, a little above my budget.

Remington R25 - $1,200+, out of my price range.

FAL 58 - $1,200+, out of my price range.

I really like the looks of the Century arms Imbel FAL .308 Carbine for $909, but I do not want to buy a rifle that needs work. I would rather buy a remington 750 that does not need any work, instead of spending $900, and run the risk of having to send the rifle back for repairs.

Then there is the problem with finding an FFL dealer to get the Imbel FAL for me. I called a couple of gun dealers - 1 said he was going to look and call me back, but he never called back, 1 did not answer the phone, and another said he could not find the Imbel FAL.

I have called 4 different big stores - gander mountain, academy sports and outdoors and (2) bass pro shops. None of them had a 308 semi-auto in stock. 1 store had a remington 750 in 30-06, but I do not want the recoil of the '06.

I guess the Imbel FAL carbine is one of those things in life, even though I like it, it may not be the best choice. The overall length is right, the barrel length might be a couple of inches short - 16 might be a little short for a 308. But I want something easy to move around in a deer stand.

From everything that I have found, is the remington 750 is best choice for the price? I just can not see spending $1,200 on a Remington R25, when I can get a Remington 750 for almost 1/2 that price.
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This is the one I really like - Century arms Imbel FAL .308 Carbine - $909, lots of stories of poor customer service and poor quality.

I really like the looks of the Century arms Imbel FAL .308 Carbine for $909, but I do not want to buy a rifle that needs work. I would rather buy a remington 750 that does not need any work, instead of spending $900, and run the risk of having to send the rifle back for repairs.
Kev, the IMBEL FAL you're looking at is made by Entreprise Arms, not Century. Entreprise used to be like Century (poor QC, etc), but they have improved over the years according to most people. They'll make right on the gun if it gives you trouble. They supposedly offer a lifetime warranty on their receivers. And as far as IMBEL parts go, they are a-okay.

If your interested in an 18" DSA STG-58 FAL, I can give you a link to one that is going for $1,040 + shipping. DSA is considered to make the best commercial FALs on the market.

ETA: http://www.entreprise.com/ - This is the company who makes the IMBEL FAL.

ETA2: http://www.entreprise.com/Fal/Carbine%20Rifle.htm - 18" Entreprise FAL Carbine.
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DSA make good quality 308's

http://www.dsarms.com/FAL-SA58%20Rifles/products/8/

Not cheap, but 308's cost $$. Just how it is.

If you get one, go with the trigger job from DSA. Nice improvement.

Also talked with Kel Tec. They may be coming out with a 308 pistol like their 223.

I'd go with ther DSA 308 mini with a can.

Some 308 porn...

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=62&t=207412
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The Cetme apparently sends brass flying and beats the **** out of it on top of that, not a big deal to some but for those who reload that can be a deal breaker.
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FAL, the right arm of the free world. Once issue military rifle for every NATO nation except the USA (which chose the M14 due to politics -- nothing wrong with M14 of course).
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Kev, the IMBEL FAL you're looking at is made by Entreprise Arms, not Century. Entreprise used to be like Century (poor QC, etc), but they have improved over the years according to most people. They'll make right on the gun if it gives you trouble. They supposedly offer a lifetime warranty on their receivers. And as far as IMBEL parts go, they are a-okay.
Thank you, I'am going to get ahold of a local FFL dealer tomorrow and see what its going to take to get that carbine ordered.


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If your interested in an 18" DSA STG-58 FAL, I can give you a link to one that is going for $1,040 + shipping. DSA is considered to make the best commercial FALs on the market.
New or used? I'am going to guess used. As long as it in good condition, send me a link. I'am not above buying a used rifle.
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I've got a "Saiganov" Saiga .308 and it's much more accurate than most people give it credit for. As an example, my 14 year old sister (who had never shot before) can consistently peg a 1/2-gallon milk jug at 200 yards (6-18x50mm scope). This is with cheap surplus ammo. Don't write it off just yet.
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unless your willing to pay it looks like your stuck with what century offers or somekind of rite time deal,if your really looking to upgrade may i suggest you bite the bullit so to speak and get what you really want i believe you mentioned an M1A,well here's a SOCOM,
http://www.gunsamerica.com/916964354...END_OF_YEA.htm
or perhaps he may have something more to your likeing.
i have done business with this dealer before and he is honest and yes the layaway is for real if you wait untill the first of the year and layaway the rifle you want you have a year to pay it off, if you buy now you have untill december 31.....just another option for your consideration
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Thank you, I'am going to get ahold of a local FFL dealer tomorrow and see what its going to take to get that carbine ordered.
Good deal.

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New or used? I'am going to guess used. As long as it in good condition, send me a link. I'am not above buying a used rifle.
Brand new. http://www.bigskyguns.com/product.cg...&product=41437

They did have a 21" STG in stock a couple weeks ago. $990 new. Some guy beat me to it.
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FAL hands down.

I like all the others, M1A's, G3's etc. But the FAL is ultrareliable. I will go so far to say, as reliable as an AK. I have personally shot 1,000 rounds through my FAL without a single failure to feed, failure to fire, failure to extract or failure to eject. Third world surplus, NATO surplus, Wolf, Remington, Winchester, Federal - it does not matter. She just keeps plugging away.

It is extremely easy to field strip and clean. It can be stripped in less than 30 seconds. Sufficiently cleaned in less than 2 minutes and will eat and shoot any type of .308 or 7.62X51 available. If it gets too dirty and carboned up, turn the gas pressure regulator up and she will continue to shoot.

It is also very comfortable to shoot. Great ergodynamics.

With open sights you can count on 4moa every time. With a cheap scope and mount, that goes down to 2moa. The iron sight goes to 600 yards and the front sight post can be used as a range finder using the 1-2-3 / 2,4,6 rule: a target with a 21 inch spread that fills the front site is 200 yards away, if it take 2 of those targets to fill the sight, it is 400 yards away and if 3 of the targets fit on the front sight post, then it is 600 yards away.

I built both of mine for the $700 range each. Use a good StG58 kit with an original Steyr StG58 barrel. There is none better. That will cost between $300 and $400 dollars. Use a good Imbel receiver. That is also between $300 and $400 dollars.

To assemble the barrel to the receiver, I literally put a piece of 2X4 in the receiver and put it in a vise. Then used a pipe wrench to screw the barrel on. Put grease on the barrel threads. The pipe wrench chewed up the outside of the barrel, but that is not a big deal to me.
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From everything that I have found, is the remington 750 is best choice for the price? I just can not see spending $1,200 on a Remington R25, when I can get a Remington 750 for almost 1/2 that price.
Cheaper than Dirt used to have after market 10 round mags for the Remington 750 (I think they also fit the Remington pump rifle I can remember the model number)

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemL...spx?catid=1507
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Kev,

I have an HK91 and a CETME. Century has fixed many of their quality problems, but is having a hard time overcoming their bad rep. I strongly believe that would be your best bet. Cheaper Than Dirt has 20 round mags back in stock for .97 each. I bought 20 the last time, and only had one that need some fine tuning. Many were brand new in the packaging.
I would gladly grab either one of mine out of the safe for any situation, and not give it a second thought.
Best of luck.
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Kev,

PTR introduced a new line called "G.I.", exclusively through CDNN. It costs $899. Just pay for your FFL transfer and you're all done well under $1,000. Page 9 here; http://p2.hostingprod.com/@cdnninves...om/CDNN2010-4/

It may cost a little more than a hit or miss decent FAL, but mag prices make up for that in short order. (.97 cents as opposed to $15-25)
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG304-36.html

I can't in good faith recommend a CETME, or a Century built FAL over a new PTR for $899. No way. CDNN also has the normal PTR for $999. The price at CDNN has come down quite a bit since I got my PTRs.

I could go on and on about how they're just as reliable, well made, and accurate as an FAL, but I think any objective person knows the quality M14, FAL, and HK91 clones are all well built, reliable, and accurate. The PTR is really the best overall value for the upper range though due to mag prices, and the new abundance of parts. It's the new FAL of the late 2000s in that regard.

Enjoy
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How about an M1 Garand rebarreled for .308? The poorman's M14! There are some Italian M1 kits for sale for around $450 (shortened barrel by 1/2 inch) that would make an ideal set up. Or you could just rebarrel a M1 with a commercial .308 barrel and come out under $800 pretty easy.
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Kev, I would not give up on the M1A if thats what would be ideal for you... If you don't have to have it right now that is. I have seen several Norinco M14/M1As sell on GunsAmerica and Gunbroker for under $1000 and as low as $750.
If it were me, and I know its not , I would wait for a used M1A to fall to you for under the $1000 mark.
There are semi-auto .308s, there are military semi-auto .308s, and then there are Garand action'd M1As A FAL or a HK91 couldn't hold the empty shell casings of a M1A
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A FAL or a HK91 couldn't hold the empty shell casings of a M1A

Which totally explains why the entire world picked the FAL and G3 instead...
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Which totally explains why the entire world picked the FAL and G3 instead...
Yes it does... The entire world is not given our weapons and definitly not in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s... The United States in those times did not sell our weapons to other countries as a rule. Besides, The rest of the world could not afford a milled Garand action'd weapon. Therefore, they bought the less expensive, ie.. cheaper made FALs and G3s
Are you really for one minute going to argue that a FAL or G3 is a better battle rifle than a M-14
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