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![]() Fals are nice rifles.
I still think that the Siaga is a nice option too, though. The nice thing about Saigas is that there are a million aftermarket parts out there for them too. |
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Kev, Not trying to be a smart ass here... You mention the "best for the money" My advice would be to take your budget now and add to it... Personally my .308 is a bolt action. However, I have a friend that choose a semi auto for his .308. Over the past 2 years we've bought and sold numerous semi auto .308's from factory to customs. What stood the various tests we threw at them and remained accurate and had no failures was... http://www.lwrci.com/p-120-repr.aspx More than your budget but worth every penny and justifiably worth "rebudgeting" |
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![]() For below $800 I'd take the saiga, only real downside is the price of magazines, and more added cost if you decide to convert it to pistol grip.
I do have a Cetme, one of the earlier guns back when they were around $350. For that price it was worth going to a gunshow and being able to look over a pile of them to find one with correct gap, non-canted sights, no bent cocking tube and other problems. I would NEVER order anything made by century sight unseen. Sure there are sites out there that can tell you how to fix some problems with a cetme built by century, but to me a firearm should be made right by the manufacturer instead of me buying it and then have to fix it or buy parts within spec to get it running right. While you didn't mention mounting a scope with the Cetme here's how I see it. The scope mounts made for it are junk and the claw type like the hk uses won't hold zero because the century recievers were not made with the bumps on the receiver to stop the scope mount from moving. The only way to get a decent scope mount on thse rifles is to have a scope rail welded/brazed to the receiver, again more added cost. I'm sure someone will post saying the airsoft scope mount or the junk from b-square works great, but please don't believe them! hth |
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![]() Adjust your budget up a little, shop around and buy a used M1A.
Saiga would be my second choice. The century arms CETME is a great rifle, if you get a good build. (cleaning it completely makes all the difference). You really need to inspect it and check the gap. As mentioned above, the century models can have site issues as well as don't work well with HK scope mounts. FAL would be my last choice. |
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Still, I'd avoid the century cetme like the plague unless you find it on the low. Too many problems, and too much hassle, for too much money. Slapping plus sized rollers in to fix an underlying problem with shaven bolt heads, and out of spec builds isn't really the be all end all. If they were still $300-450 I'd consider it, but for over $500-700 you may as well save up a little longer and get a higher quality roller lock. |
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Will you ever notice a 2" barrel difference? Will you notice $300 more in your wallet? Since I'm not going to use a FAL for CQB (my AK is for that) I have no problem with a 20". Possibly a bit more weight, possibly a bit more accuracy ... but fewer $$$s. |
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![]() My current Wish List is an IMBEL FAL. The FAL wasn't named "the right hand of freedom" for all those years for nothing. If a country didn't buy the US M-16, then they bought the FAL.
Don't know if it's a plus or minus for you, but the FAL is a battle rifle, not a precision rifle (like the Remington 700 or other bolt guns). Are you hunting elk in a hidden blind or diving into the mud and coming up shooting? Reliability is almost as great as the AK, with the addition of a far better round. It's heavy, but just about any genuine battle rifle hangs around 10 pounds anyway. The CETME has always been my 2nd choice, but I just haven't been convinced on the roller-locking system. I want a SHTF gun and the fewer the moving parts the better. Plus every moving part can/will degrade accuracy. The M1A is a fantasy/dream; The Gentle Bride™ doesn't give me that big of an allowance. :-) I already have a Savage 10 bolt gun in .308 that shoots like a dream, so I'm no longer looking for precision alone. The most important thing is getting a firearm that feels good in your hands, something you are confident in, and something that you can afford, without being influenced too much by opinions of strangers. :-) At the end of the day as long as you can put lead on target then who cares who build the gun? Take a gander at "The General Purpose Combat Rifle" by Gabe Suarez (again, assuming you're interested in combat rifles over hunting rifles). |
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![]() I'm sure you'll find a good reason for this, like the speccomm hate the Gremans and French or something ![]() |
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Also, Special Forces use both H&K, and FN weapons. H&K 416 and 417 have been fielded in combat, as well as the FN SCAR Mk.16 and Mk.17. (17s are .308, 16s are 5.56) I see that SA cool aid is really getting to you CZ. ![]() Keep in mind the thread title. |
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![]() Why is the SX-AR not in consideration? I don't have any experience with the rifle, but as I understand it's virtually identical to the FNAR as far as operation.
Is there some disdain for the rifle? Is it due to poor performance/reviews/bad experiences. Just wondering as I've been very happy with the FNAR. |
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http://www.bigskyguns.com/product.cg...&product=41437 I thought about buying it myself, but I've got to pay off my credit card first. ![]() |
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![]() There's like maybe three of each in service and for testing only ![]() ![]() ![]() The M14 is being used in the thousands over there right now, Why.... Because its the better weapon! The Navy and Marine Corps knew this and has never retired them.... I used the M14 when I was in. So keep drinking the Kool Aid, It really is fun watching you do it ![]() Kev, I would wait a couple more months, save a couple hundred more, and buy the best battle rifle ever devised that is still wacking them in battles right now! Buy the M1A and you will never regret your purchase ![]() |
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Of course the M14 is being used because it's the better weapon...better than the M4 and M16 that is. We agree there. Not really better than the Mk.17, G3, FAL, or H&K 417 though. ![]() Like I said, the m14 is being used now because it's the only thing we have already bought and paid for in armories that fills the longer range requirements of the middle east. In case you've missed it, the Germans are bringing back the G3 to fill the same role in Afghanistan. |
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