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![]() On the pdf, the 2nd paragraph....the looong paragraph, about 2/3 of the way thru that paragraph, there's a sentence with the word counseling in quotes, twice I think, and that sentence says that the counseling sessions were occurring during other people's scheduled activities, and that he was preventing those residents from entering the community room....even though they had scheduled an activity during that time. The pdf states that the community room can be used for certain activities, provided that the residents schedule them in advance, and are approved.
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![]() did they not have rights as renters? Simple solution: Everyone gets 1. To get 2, your 2nd needs to not conflict with anyone's #1. Too get 3 you need to not conflict with anyone's #2. Since people pay monthly, that's how often you start over with 1. 1's...first come first serve. 2's... Same. A simple administrative rulling with some basic logic solves the entire "issue" ![]() |
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![]() If you're going to evangelize, you have to be a decent human being and respect others. Who's going to say no to a scheduled birthday party and tell them to go elsewhere? These guys, apparently.
It is about respecting your neighbor. It is one thing to have a quiet session on your own property that does not affect your neighbors. It is quite another when little Jimmy can't have his SCHEDULED birthday party because you were "counseling" or whatever. Many "churches" are becoming cheap and refusing to rent a building. There was another thread on this recently and I said it sounded like my sister's cult, this is something they would absolutely do, hog the common room and not allow people to have their scheduled events because they were "praising" or whatever. They were also (I experienced plenty of these services in my life) very loud and disruptive screaming during the service. I have zero sympathy for people like that. CS, it depends on the chick tract. I was given some that were "fine" and I handed them out to my drivers. Some I felt were not appropriate and I held back. But I think kids old enough to read are old enough to understand unsaved sinners will go to hell when they die. Edit to add, I hand out a tract on Halloween (in a generous bag of candy) that says just that - unsaved sinners go to hell, 10 commandments, tribulation, etc. |
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According to you, if every apartment-complex in the country signed a compact to not allow people to worship God on their property, and every rental space signed the same compact, and every HOA had the rule, then the only way you could worship is if you owned property, but if you were poor, you would not be able to worship at all. No government interference. Isn't that the same logic used to justify protected classes? What if every bakery refused to make the cake? What if every restaurant refused to let them eat? But if you were a homosexual, you could demand anyone make you a cake, right? Rights for thee and not for me? Get out of here with that hypocrisy. |
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Regarding the allegation that people who reserved the common room were not allowed to use it; that seems highly doubtful. 1st, the 85-year old couple has no such power.I had this funny experience at work one time. I was in a conference room preparing the A/V for a meeting in a few minutes. The HR lady barged in and asked if I was using this room for the next hour. I said yes. She then asked if I had reserved the room. This tells me that she did not reserve the room. If she attempted to, she would have realized that I had reserved the room. In addition, the conference room could have been renamed my room for I had reserved the room and held meetings on that date and time every week for the last 6 months! Imagine getting to a conference room 2nd and expecting to use the room of someone already there who had reserved the room? There is a certain audacity that I can relate to about this story. Since the common area could be reserved and the Bible Study leader supposedly had all these regularly scheduled meetings, it seems him reserving the room to be a pretty simple solution. Maybe the company only takes reservations for the "special occasions" listed, e.g. birthday, wedding, funerals. However, that seems unlikely as it would prevent all these problems. The biggest thing is to not accept the Complaint pdf as the statement of truth. Written by a lawyer, it couched facts in light most unfavorable to the 85-year old couple. Furthermore, it does not address the Constitutional objection to having Bible study in their own apartment. Remember, this story is because the 85-year old couple filed a federal law suit, not that they are being evicted. Said differently, the 85-year old couple is the Plaintiff in the federal Complaint, not the Defendant. |
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![]() Property rights only matter to Leftists when it supports Leftist causes. For instance, Muslim taxi drivers have no legal burden to transport people who have or products (from a store) that are made from pork due to their religious beliefs. Baking a cake, on the other hand ...
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Likewise, if you own an assisted living facility, you should be required to offer both couples your services. Either couple should be and would be welcome to live there. However, neither couple should be or would be allowed to continually monopolize the communal areas of the community for their individual purposes. |
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https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values...lex-files-suit Nor, I assume have you read the notice from the apartment management complex spelling out their complaint. Here's that: https://firstliberty.org/wp-content/...e_Redacted.pdf |
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![]() Peter, I had a Little Cesar's pizza when I called a cab. The driver came to get us and asked what was on the pizza. I told him it was a meatllover and he said he could take us but the pizza would have to ride in the trunk.
My husband didn't like it but I understood and shut up my husband, and we got a ride home. I have no problem accommodating another's faith when they are sharing their property (cab) with us. I understood the cab driver was the property owner. Yellow cab had an incident some years back, a muslim driver picked up a gay couple (men) and they were making out in the cab. The driver asked them to stop and they got worse, so he pulled over and put them out on the street. The gays tried to make it a "civil rights issue" but Yellow, and the DA both said the cab was his property and he could do whatever he wanted. The driver also said he had put out straight couples for "immorality" in his cab as well, but they didn't complain. I really resent (as you have seen) people who take advantage of others "Because Jesus". It is like one woman I knew was always asking for "no ticket approvals" and "straight trips" 'Because I am the wife of a pastor". She would sing gospel songs in the cab (not very well, my husband said) and put up this holy, perfect, front, while asking everyone to bend over for her. One day I saw her at the grocery store, she was in a very bad mood. She was very bitter because her husband had been arrested and jailed. "For what?" "Back child support". Mr Holy and perfect couldn't even take care of his own kids, and they were bringing in some money. She acted as if the DA should throw out all the charges "because he was a pastor". It doesn't work that way. If anything, believers are held to a higher standard of conduct than a non believer. |
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![]() IMO they have burned so many bridges with management they're lucky they can flush their toilet. There is a right and a wrong way to go about it.
Generally speaking, I ride frequently with muslims or non believers. We respect each other and go out of the way for each other. I do not club them over the head with a Bible. They know I am a believer and I am happy to talk about my faith WHEN ASKED but I do not use it as a club to go around beating people. I believe this couple has done exactly that and have burned their bridges with the management and other residents. Generally speaking business owners do not want troublemakers around. That is just good business. |
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![]() The actual notice mentions activities held in the "Community Room" and the prohibition (in the lease signed by the couple) of seeing clients in their apartment.
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Never the issue. I recently talked to a pastor about Matthew 12:30 and Mark 9:40 & Luke 11:23. He said they say the same thing but differently, if you are not for us, you are against us; there is no middle ground. While I rail against proselytizers, I don't see that here - certainly not as an eviction level action. |
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![]() The 7 days a week was me using exaggeration. Yet not by much. From what was stated in the pdf....they weren't doing a once a week study. It was Bible study class on one day, Sunday night religious films, and then counseling sessions at other times/days...so at the very least, using the community room 3 days a week. My guess is that it was more than 3 days. As Purple Kitty said, they burned their bridges, which is why they cannot even hold a study in their apt now. Their lack of consideration for others is what caused this....NOT that they are Christians wanting to hold a Bible study. This isn't religious persecution....this is them being inconsiderate and overstepping their boundaries. And being jerks.
We've attended and held Bible studies at various places, in various countries, and have never heard word one against what we were doing. Because the people hosting and the people attending weren't jerks. A friend hosts a Bible club for the kids in her apt bldg. This is an upscale apt bldg...they are prolly considered "condos". She does it in her home, and they often go play at the common playground after (without the lessons held AT the playground). She invites people....but if they don't want their kids to attend....she loves on those families without beating them up about their lack of attending. She knows the names of all the kiddos in the bldgs around her + the names (and stories) of most of their parents. Cause she is kind, because she loves, because she knows that being a jerk is rude. Also, no one is inconvenienced by her having the club in her apt. And she's not having her Bible lessons on the playground....so that other beliefs aren't bothered by her/the kids. I have a friend who is an atheist. She and her dd once tried to play at a local playground. There was a group there having a prayer walk with their kids....and they got mad at my friend and her kiddo for daring to play on the playground while they attempted this with their kids. There was yelling involved. And total rudeness. It was a public playground....so no "rules" against daring to play while people tried to teach their kids religion. As a Christ-follower, I was angry at those parents who started to do a good thing (teaching their kids about prayer and such), but in carrying it out, decided that their religious practices were more impt than other people. |
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