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Unfortunately one cannot expect a country's government to fix the problem if they are the ones who created it.

I wonder if the World Bank will get involved. Of course at some exorbitant price with interest out the yazoo making the country forever in their debt.
Didn't they get a loan from China already on the condition that china is entitled to a certain percentage of their oil production?
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But, as I asked earlier, how are they going to eat in the short term? If they are out of food, they cannot live without eating until their gardens ripen. Are there any humanitarian lifts that are going to land anytime soon? I can't get in touch with the guy I know from there. He seems to have disappeared.
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But, as I asked earlier, how are they going to eat in the short term? If they are out of food, they cannot live without eating until their gardens ripen. Are there any humanitarian lifts that are going to land anytime soon? I can't get in touch with the guy I know from there. He seems to have disappeared.
It's a sad story, but a bunch of globalist intervention probably isn't the best thing for them right now. They need to get a handle on their problems inside the country. I believe that will involve some kind of coup or revolt by the people against the current government.

To be critical. People can survive for a long time on reduced calories. They are NOT going to be happy about it for sure. From the pictures I am seeing, we are not in the critical zone of mass starvation. People are still looking pretty healthy in the pictures and videos that are coming out.

Oil prices are coming back up. The rainy season is starting. From what I am hearing, they need to be investing any capital/resources they have left into being able to pump oil out of the ground and sell it. I believe they have shot themselves in the foot as far as oil production capabilities. The lack of rain has limited the amount of power their hydroelectric plants can produce. A lot of the oil industry runs off that power.
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It's a sad story, but a bunch of globalist intervention probably isn't the best thing for them right now. They need to get a handle on their problems inside the country. I believe that will involve some kind of coup or revolt by the people against the current government.

To be critical. People can survive for a long time on reduced calories. They are NOT going to be happy about it for sure. From the pictures I am seeing, we are not in the critical zone of mass starvation. People are still looking pretty healthy in the pictures and videos that are coming out.

Oil prices are coming back up. The rainy season is starting. From what I am hearing, they need to be investing any capital/resources they have left into being able to pump oil out of the ground and sell it. I believe they have shot themselves in the foot as far as oil production capabilities. The lack of rain has limited the amount of power their hydroelectric plants can produce. A lot of the oil industry runs off that power.
This^^^. Back in the middle 1990s, aid organisations were just starting to figure out that sending humanitarian aid to Romania was a serious exercise in futility. Corruption and poor use of aid virtually guaranteed that aid was doing no good whatsoever. I remember us talking about the very, very best thing that could be done with Romania would be to fence it: nothing and no one in or out for a minimum of 5 years. Looking back, it's a pity that didn't happen.
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The Venezuelan government is now encouraging the Venezuelan people to plant gardens.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...e79422092.html

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In January, President Nicolás Maduro created the Ministry of Urban Agriculture, saying it was critical to “fight the grave economic situation” being produced by “falling oil prices and the war being waged by the U.S. Empire against our national economy.” More recently, the administration has said metropolitan areas should grow at least 20 percent of their own food.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...#storylink=cpy

Huge lesson right here folks,

Start your gardens before you're hungry. And learn to can what you grow.

When the going gets real tough the government will turn its back on you.


Must be a whole bunch of fun sitting around starving, while you wait for your crops to grow. Knowing full well there is a better than average chance someone will steal them off the vine before you have a chance to eat them yourself.
Pity for people in the cities, but the countryside always fares much better in such a crisis. This might be a good time for people here to not think only gardens, but also foraging. There's a first class meal in every field: people just have to know how to recognise it.
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^^^ And just where have you been young lady ?
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Gardening. At home in England and at home in Transylvania. Staying out of trouble. Mostly. Nice to see you too!
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Food aid was offered to them by one of their neighbors: Maduro turned it down as he said there was no crisis and they did not need it.
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Back in the middle 1990s, aid organisations were just starting to figure out that sending humanitarian aid to Romania was a serious exercise in futility.
At the time I was one of the wide eyed idiots doing voluntary work while the locals were too busy smoking and laughing at us.

It's one of my formative childhood memories, why exactly am I a child breaking my back digging dirt while you guys smoke and laugh and ignore the desperate plight of the nation you live in?
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At the time I was one of the wide eyed idiots doing voluntary work while the locals were too busy smoking and laughing at us.

It's one of my formative childhood memories, why exactly am I a child breaking my back digging dirt while you guys smoke and laugh and ignore the desperate plight of the nation you live in?
Because they are Wankers?

There are people world wide that need help. I presume you saw something worthy to do and did it: I salute you!

Unfortunately there are also Wankers world wide, which is WHY so many people need help! Not everybody would care for their loved ones, let alone their countrymen!
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It takes a backpack full of their money, just to get through a day.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...er-you-can-buy
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It takes a backpack full of their money, just to get through a day.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...er-you-can-buy
I'm surprised NPR allowed a contributor to mention the cause of the problem, "Most analysts, though, point to government corruption and years of failed socialist policies."
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Not sure if they accepted money from China in exchange for oil as the payoff but if they did and with current oil prices it may take a while,before they are cleared from that debt.
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I'm surprised NPR allowed a contributor to mention the cause of the problem, "Most analysts, though, point to government corruption and years of failed socialist policies."
You realize that they are not condemning the concept of socialist policies, just the failed implementation.
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Fox news video....

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/49131...#sp=show-clips
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This very thing is coming our way too guys.

SOONER THAN LATER.
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This came up in a conversation with a friend. I guess a LOT of the land historically used for agriculture was broken up with a government program in 2001 called Mission Zamora.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Zamora

One theory is that food production went WAY down after this happened, instead of up, like they wanted.

I guess just because you have land, doesn't mean you have the ability, know-how, or machinery to farm it....
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I believe a lot of it there METcalf is the KIDS are too DAMN LAZY to put the effort to raise food. They think it is just supposed to be available to them by another's sweat.

Oh, kind of like it is with the KIDS here!
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