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Old 09-18-2019, 12:25 AM
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So, I bought a collection today.

At home, clearing the AR and the bolt won't retract.
And something rattles.

Break it down shotgun style and the firing pin is in the charging handle.
I fish it out with my pliers, and the bolt is locked into the chamber. No access to make it rotate and unlock.

Former owner was VERY lax with his weapons handling and loaded chanbers, so trying to drive it out from the muzzle is last result even with the firing pin removed.

any ideas?
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Old 09-18-2019, 12:37 AM
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So, I bought a collection today.

At home, clearing the AR and the bolt won't retract.
And something rattles.

Break it down shotgun style and the firing pin is in the charging handle.
I fish it out with my pliers, and the bolt is locked into the chamber. No access to make it rotate and unlock.

Former owner was VERY lax with his weapons handling and loaded chanbers, so trying to drive it out from the muzzle is last result even with the firing pin removed.

any ideas?

Assume youíve tried mortaring it? Maybe that plus using the FA to get it worked back and forth a few millimeters?


Remove the barrel nut, and maybe barrel, if it gives you enough wiggle room?

Good luck.
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Old 09-18-2019, 12:40 AM
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Yep.

(Sigh)

Probably right.
Wonder where my barrel wrenches are....
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:02 AM
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I could tell you what the issue is.....but you have me on ignore...
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I could tell you what the issue is.....but you have me on ignore...
How do you know he has you on ignore? (If he does, he will see it now that I've quoted you, lol)

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Old 09-18-2019, 01:36 AM
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How do you know he has you on ignore? (If he does, he will see it now that I've quoted you, lol)

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Please don't. I DO have him on ignore and do not care what he might have to say.
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:39 AM
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any ideas?
know exactly what the issue is and how to correct.....not surprised to read you do not....
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:55 AM
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Please don't. I DO have him on ignore and do not care what he might have to say.
Ah. My apologies.

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know exactly what the issue is and how to correct.....not surprised to read you do not....
Just leave it at that and move on. Just think of the level this guy is on buying a loaded gun and never checking it to be cleared. Or even function testing it or even breaking it open to inspect it.

Ignore is the best thing this dude can do for you, they wouldn't listen to you anyway and only spout off on how wrong you are until another person their level made up some fantasy fix to have them work the rifle over.
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Dusty, that just gave me the creeps!
Think thatís what happened?
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Old 09-18-2019, 05:56 AM
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The bolt is locked to the barrel extension without the bolt carrier?

I can see the firing pin falling out if the retaining pin ( the small cotter pin looking thing ) was left out or broke. I cannot see the how the bolt could separate from the carrier unless the key was left out (or broke, a very rare occurrence).

If the bolt is still attached to the carrier, take the buffer and spring out. Secure the upper to the lower. Hold the rifle muzzle up. Bump the butt on the ground. May take a couple good bumps.

If that doesn't do it it is time to pull the barrel.


(Disclaimer, I'm not a certified armorer any longer and it is on you to exercise all due safety precautions.)
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I'm having a hard time envisioning what you have going on

Maybe running some penetrating oil down around the bolt, then running a rod down the barrel and tapping it in order to back the bolt out

It should rotate back out but is probably stuck from either being dirty and/or hot
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The cam pin has rotated, lifted and wedged itself into the upper. Take a mallet and tap on the rail of the upper receiver to try to know it back into the carrier.
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So you *haven't* slid a cleaning rod down to see if there's something in the chamber or not? Seems a lot less risky then bringing mallets into the equation. Measure 16" on the rod, see if 2.26" of it is still sticking out.
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By collection do you mean you bought a lot at an auction or something?

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Old 09-18-2019, 07:41 AM
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Sounds ruined, better just give it away (to me).
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Old 09-18-2019, 08:44 AM
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The firing pin is out so it's safe to tap it with a mallet. I didn't say hammer it. Think about it, the firing pin holds the cam pin in position, without it the cam pin will spindle and/or pull out from the BCG lodging into the charging handle slot or just dig into the upper and lock it up. Either that or the bolt is stuck in the barrel extension.
Very good idea to do the depth check down the barrel to verify if it's loaded as well.
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I was not able to think clearly after you said the firing pin was in the charging handle? WTF?
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Tagging this to see how it ends.
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the cam pin has rotated, lifted and wedged itself into the upper. Take a mallet and tap on the rail of the upper receiver to try to know it back into the carrier.
this^^^^


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