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Old 09-17-2019, 07:59 PM
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My nephew was involved with training at hospitals. No hitting the patients though. I helped once when passing an altercation, was able to pin arms with cupped hands. Some patients are weak, mental types not so much.
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Old 09-17-2019, 08:49 PM
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Hitting patients is kind of a no-no for obvious reasons.

I was kind of tempted though the time a 60 something guy suffering a med reaction sank his teeth into my forearm.

In my department we talk about self defense all the time but no real training...

However....many of us carry.

Not so much for patients but for the scum bags that you tend to run into at 3AM when trying to help someone.
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I was surprised that when I re-upped my EMT this last time around one of the available elective credit hours was in self defense techniques. I could definitely see it. I only kept my EMT credentials up to date because it was required as a military medic, so I've never ridden in an ambulance as my full time gig. However, when I was NG I was in charge of some civilian paramedics and they definitely had some stories.

My civilian medicine experience has mostly been ride alongs or ER shadowing for hours. It's not a world I envy for those that work in it.
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The self defense topic is kind of a grey area. I worked as a volunteer ski patroller for about 20 yrs. so you see people with some pretty serious injuries.

One guy had a pretty severe closed head injury and was fighting all of us. We had 2 of the strongest guys on-hand hold him down until we had him backboarded, and delivered him straight to the ambulance...where we listened to the medics fight with him. Last I heard, he was learning to walk and eat solid food again.

Had a 20-something girl dislocate her hip, and again, she was fighting all of us...including her boyfriend. We stabilized her as best we could between the swings and like above, delivered her straight to the ambulance at the bottom of the hill.

We always talked through situations like this, but never received any formal training; wish we had.
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I was kind of combative when I came out of anesthetic in post op. I didnt throw any punches but was quite snarky to the nurses. I felt bad about it later. They said some people just react. I dont think its the same as when people are injured and are in shock but maybe. Glad the nurses didnt judo chop me.
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LE rolled on every EMS call to protect EMS from being assaulted/robbed, and prevent the ambulance/stuff on the ambulance from getting jacked/stolen. Ditto for fire calls.

If it was something like an assault or other *dynamic* situation, EMS and fire fighters generally staged until notified by us the scene was secure. Although I don't think many people would have been stupid enough to tangle with most of the fire fighters in our area.

Gang bangers, thugs, etc. understood there was no tolerance for harming EMS or fire fighters (or trying). Simple officer presence was enough, unless someone were under the influence of something, and/or very mentally ill. Sometimes, an officer would need to ride in the back of the ambulance with the paramedic when there was a violent/potentially violent patient.
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LE rolled on every EMS call to protect EMS from being assaulted/robbed, and prevent the ambulance/stuff on the ambulance from getting jacked/stolen. Ditto for fire calls.

In my service we only get LEO if its paged out as an assault....

the problem is....that is only if that is how its paged. Often it turns out to be an assault but nobody told 911 that so they didn't send the cops and its just us.
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LE rolled on every EMS call to protect EMS....


DEFINITELY the exception not the rule. Working Detroit, Flint and other regional metro areas we never routinely got PD unless it was a known unsafe scene, they were the mfr unit (in some areas) or it was a PD issue to begin with (assault, MVA, etc).

I literally was told once, after staging myself, “you just need to be more comfortable in uncomfortable situations”.




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This is why we shouldn't bother with narcan.
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DEFINITELY the exception not the rule. Working Detroit, Flint and other regional metro areas we never routinely got PD unless it was a known unsafe scene, they were the mfr unit (in some areas) or it was a PD issue to begin with (assault, MVA, etc).

I literally was told once, after staging myself, “you just need to be more comfortable in uncomfortable situations”.

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That's not right... to serve and protect includes taking care of EMS and fire fighters. Where I was, if we didn't roll on every EMS/fire call, we would've ended up working a serious scene there instead of the EMS/fire call
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This is why we shouldn't bother with narcan.
One of the interesting things about the opioid situation is that although the MSM portrays it as a national crisis its really pretty localized. We've been carrying it for years and I still haven't had a chance to use it. The scumbags here use meth instead.
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Thankfully most agencies, mine included, allow medics to give Ketamine or a benzo to crazed, psych patients.
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One of the interesting things about the opioid situation is that although the MSM portrays it as a national crisis its really pretty localized. We've been carrying it for years and I still haven't had a chance to use it. The scumbags here use meth instead.
Thats interesting. I've used it countless times. From the much over hyped heroin OD to the little old lady who was simply prescribed a little too strong of a dose.
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EMS should Learn self defense. I've been a full time medic for the past 20 years and have been in plenty of fights while on calls. Psychs, angry junkies, drunks, emotionally charged family members... most people are just looking for help but without fail every now and then things get stupid. we usually have police with us unless they are all tied up and can't free up a car. Even with police on scene and it starts going south we jump in and help.
It's always been like this, some of the guys wear vests and ever notice in some cities the medics carry the bigger size streamlights even during the day. It's a jungle out there.
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