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Old 09-12-2019, 03:42 PM
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No, the goals weren't reached because, as both you and I know, they are an unobtainable pipe dream. The altruism can't be practiced without first obtaining full control. Didn't stop these guys from trying though.
So, to reach some unobtainable goal, you must first enslave the populace? Thanks, but no thanks.
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Are you saying that Trump is not altruistic? If so, I agree, but I do also wonder what altruism has to do with being communist, that just makes no sense to me.

There needs to be a sense of treating everyone equally in order to sell the idea of communism to the people.

That's the ultimate goal, nobody owns anything and everyone has access to whatever their needs are.

THAT idea requires a sense of altruism to accept.

Its an idea that should fall on the trash heap of history.
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So, to reach some unobtainable goal, you must first enslave the populace? Thanks, but no thanks.

Duh! I agree completely. I was trying to explain what kind of person accepts communism. That person needs a strong sense of altruism.


Which is why Trump is not or never has been a communist.
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There needs to be a sense of treating everyone equally in order to sell the idea of communism to the people.

That's the ultimate goal, nobody owns anything and everyone has access to whatever their needs are.

THAT idea requires a sense of altruism to accept.

Its an idea that should fall on the trash heap of history.
Fair enough, and a good example that there has never been a true communist country, not that I believe that there should be.
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Wow! WOW! I've some really stupid leftist crap but this wins the hopelessly moronic prize. Gaymores hallucinations usually take the cake but then algorejisms response is just a gem of colossal ignorance! This, ladies and gentlemen, is the left, tried and truly proven to have a mental disorder.

Mods, can we make this a sticky on the political section?

And this, Ladies and Gentlemen is a textbook example of an ad hominem, a tactic used when the poster has no argument and nothing of substance to add to a discussion.


Fail.
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Fair enough, and a good example that there has never been a true communist country, not that I believe that there should be.

Exactly my point.
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So, after over 50 years of repression and a totalitarian state, castro could never move towards his altruistic goals? And Mao? How altruistic were those tanks in Tienanmen Square? All that altruism on display in Hong Kong? Yeah, altruism?

Are you being obtuse? or are you just "special"?
No, he is correct. Those who do terrible things for ideological or religious reasons do them because they believe, if they just burn people alive, or starve them to death, or commit horrendous torture and repression, or kill those they disagree with and blow up their buildings, a paradise will result. Communist, Nazi, Muslim Christian, far right or left wing extremist, the methods are the same, it's just the goals that are different; and always, completely unattainable.

Makes you think. If you are capable of thinking.
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Just because it fits here.

And OP have you ever met a Czech? They'd punch you right in the face for your thoughts on them and Communism.

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So you think I'm defending communism? That's rich!
Iím sorry I responded that way. I got carried away and missed your point
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I’m sorry I responded that way. I got carried away and missed your point

NP. It happens to all of us at one time or another.


I appreciate you stepping up though. It demonstrates good character.
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Klaymore...you should really lay off the jenkem.
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I sometimes wonder whether Donald Trump is a Communist agent-provocateur.

Think about it.
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To be a communist one needs a strong sense of altruism.
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Klaymore...you should really lay off the jenkem.
lol I just had to Google that.
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How is this fake news? Or even news? It's just thoughts being thrown out on a forum. You guys are getting desperate.

Let's not forget how Trump has praised up Kim Jung-un, China's Xi Jinping and of course Putin. The man admires them all.
Because your claims are nonsense. Plain and simple.

It's a negotiating tactic to keep them talking to him. Trump praises everyone -- until they **** him off and he rips them to shreds. If they start doing things his way, he starts praising them again.

It's a basic Pavlovian conditioning method. Try it with your dog. The dog will come running if he thinks you are going to pat him on the head.

It's not hard to understand. Just pay attention.
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I sometimes wonder whether Donald Trump is a Communist agent-provocateur.



Think about it. He's like a caricature of an evil capitalist, in that he's at the same time venal, self-obsessed and blisteringly incompetent (the string of bankruptcies for his business, for example). He's most famous lately for randomly firing employees on television and being the impresario behind ogle-fests like the Miss USA pageant. He makes the kind of comments about workers, minorities and women that Communists claim are in the hearts of capitalists. And his policies almost seem designed to follow the old Communist goals of accentuating and exacerbating class warfare before the inevitable Revolution.



Then you add his actual connections to Communists. Two of Trump's three wives grew up as teenagers in Communist countries, being indoctrinated in Communist ideology and going to meetings of whatever the Czechoslovak and Yugoslav equivalent of the USSR's Young Pioneers was. He's a known admirer of Communist government. His strongest supporter on the international stage is Vladimir Putin, who spent 16 years in the KGB, and who he calls upon to interfere in the American election. And Trump's most prominent foreign policies advance long-time Communist goals - the destruction of capitalist trade blocs like NAFTA and the EU, and withdrawing the arm of American protection from Europe, Japan and South Korea. It's hard to see how any American could advance Communist goals on the international stage more.



Plus there's the fact that the party he's running for is the one that's typically been *less* tough on Communists, contrary to popular imagination (detente, SALT I, START, the INF treaty and looking the other way at Tienanmen Square for the Republicans as opposed to Korea, the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, and getting involved in Afghanistan the first go-round for the Democrats).



It could make you wonder. It really could.
You make some good points.

But my opinion is that he is just a bumbling idiot. His "power" exists mainly in his own mind and those who are equally weak minded and susceptible to his cargo cult.

The communists would call him a useful idiot. Likely his financial empire rests on off books Russian loans.

Someday it will be figured out. Hopefully soon.

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My original post was defending Trump from being labeled a communist and I get attacked for it. The irony is exquisite.
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Klaymore...you should really lay off the jenkem.
You, sir, just won my Spit My Coffee All Over My Keyboard award.

For those new to the term, Jenkem is an inhalant and hallucinogen created from fermented human waste. In the mid-1990s, it was reported to be a popular street drug among Zambian street children. They would put the feces and urine in a jar and cover it with a balloon then let it ferment out in the sun, then afterward they would inhale the fumes.

Jenkem has become a staple among Progressive Democrats.
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I sometimes wonder whether Donald Trump is a Communist agent-provocateur.

Think about it. He's like a caricature of an evil capitalist, in that he's at the same time venal, self-obsessed and blisteringly incompetent (the string of bankruptcies for his business, for example). He's most famous lately for randomly firing employees on television and being the impresario behind ogle-fests like the Miss USA pageant. He makes the kind of comments about workers, minorities and women that Communists claim are in the hearts of capitalists. And his policies almost seem designed to follow the old Communist goals of accentuating and exacerbating class warfare before the inevitable Revolution.

Then you add his actual connections to Communists. Two of Trump's three wives grew up as teenagers in Communist countries, being indoctrinated in Communist ideology and going to meetings of whatever the Czechoslovak and Yugoslav equivalent of the USSR's Young Pioneers was. He's a known admirer of Communist government. His strongest supporter on the international stage is Vladimir Putin, who spent 16 years in the KGB, and who he calls upon to interfere in the American election. And Trump's most prominent foreign policies advance long-time Communist goals - the destruction of capitalist trade blocs like NAFTA and the EU, and withdrawing the arm of American protection from Europe, Japan and South Korea. It's hard to see how any American could advance Communist goals on the international stage more.

Plus there's the fact that the party he's running for is the one that's typically been *less* tough on Communists, contrary to popular imagination (detente, SALT I, START, the INF treaty and looking the other way at Tienanmen Square for the Republicans as opposed to Korea, the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, and getting involved in Afghanistan the first go-round for the Democrats).

It could make you wonder. It really could.


WTF ????????
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Well....


The liberals have worn out every other name/label they've placed on Trump

Might as well call him that I suppose.....for awhile anyway


Notice how liberals have to label everyone?

I'd say that's racism to a small degree and bigotry to a higher degree. I get really tired of their condescension
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And this, Ladies and Gentlemen is a textbook example of an ad hominem, a tactic used when the poster has no argument and nothing of substance to add to a discussion.


Fail.
Because you should not argue with stupidity! Once again your text shows your ignorance, misuse and/or stupidity of the English language. If pointing out your failure to produce a sentence with actual meaning or "substance" is a "fail" to , I'll take it.
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