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Old 09-03-2019, 07:28 AM
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That chart is not valid. It's propaganda. Average annual CO2 output from volcanoes is not static. There should be spikes for Pinatubo and other major eruptions.

If this article is correct, the CO2 output from volcanoes is rising rapidly. It is not static.
Statistics, graphs?
Or just opinions.

Pinatubo = 1991, look at the Keeling curve. No effect, therefore it is insignificant.
Move along.
Volcanoes are not an issue. Fossil fuel use is.
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We are comparing C02.
Ok, so help me out here. CO2 traps heat on the planets surface. The vast majority of that heat being produced by sunlight radiation.

The article states that it was the particulate emissions from the eruptions which went high altitude, blocking much of the sunlight from ever reaching the surface. So it is not the CO2 which produces the heat of Global Warming, it's the Sun. So the chart might be a bit of a strawman.

Can a volcano erupt and only spew CO2? Maybe. But any violent eruption I've ever heard of put out a whole lot of solids, also.

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Statistics, graphs?
Or just opinions.

Pinatubo = 1991, look at the Keeling curve. No effect, therefore it is insignificant.
Move along.
Volcanoes are not an issue. Fossil fuel use is.
What about the Mount Tambora and the Year Without a Summer eruption of 1816 that changed the climate significantly for the entire planet?

Mount Pinatubo also changed the climate but to a much lesser degree.

CO2 outgassing from volcanoes is not static. It can vary significantly from year to year. That chart says "annual average", not overall average, which means there should be variability based on the average for that year.

Claiming that CO2 output from volcanoes does not change is kind of like saying the methane output from farts never changes. The larger the eruption, the more CO2 a volcano belches out.

The Keeling curve is invalid and insignificant. It was probably paid for with taxpayer man-made climate research money. If it had shown something different, the funding would have been yanked.

Read this:

Long Invisible, Research Shows Volcanic CO2 Levels Are Staggering

Increased volcanic activity correlates with a Grand Solar Minimum, which several scientists say we are entering. I wonder what taxpayer-funded climate scientists are going to say when we go into another Little Ice Age and they cannot claim CO2 generated by people is the cause. Perhaps they will claim that we exported the CO2 to the other planets in the solar system that are also warming.
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Volcanoes particularly scare me as a weather/geological event, as so much of our prepping requires things that it could take away. Being covered in ash or having so much thrown to the atmosphere that we lose the son for weeks or months would kill the very growth and wildlife we'd all be dependent on.

There is certainly geological record that things of that nature had happened not too distantly in our pasts.

I'm more scared of lava and lava bombs, and I've been so since I was a kid and read the book about the Mexican guy and the volcano that sprouted in his back yard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin
If one sprouts in your back yard, run away, run away (really fast)
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That chart is not valid. It's propaganda. Average annual CO2 output from volcanoes is not static. There should be spikes for Pinatubo and other major eruptions.

Also, volcanic activity has increased in the past couple of decades. Most of it is in the Pacific Rim and South America.

Long Invisible, Research Shows Volcanic CO2 Levels Are Staggering



If this article is correct, the CO2 output from volcanoes is rising rapidly. It is not static.
The article never suggests that- it states estimates of CO2 release have increased, not the CO2 itself. It actually provides some support for a flat CO2 release curve.
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Statistics, graphs?
Or just opinions.

Pinatubo = 1991, look at the Keeling curve. No effect, therefore it is insignificant.
Move along.
Volcanoes are not an issue. Fossil fuel use is.
You are joking, right?
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The article never suggests that- it states estimates of CO2 release have increased, not the CO2 itself. It actually provides some support for a flat CO2 release curve.
I don't see any support for the flat curve output for volcanic CO2.

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In 1992, it was thought that volcanic degassing released something like 100 million tons of CO2 each year. Around the turn of the millennium, this figure was getting closer to 200. The most recent estimate, released this February, comes from a team led by Mike Burton, of the Italian National Institute of Geophysics and Volcanology – and it’s just shy of 600 million tons. It caps a staggering trend: A six-fold increase in just two decades.
A six-fold increase in estimated CO2 output from volcanoes does not correlate with a flat line on the curve. The article clearly states the CO2 output from volcanoes is dramatically increasing.

It is not possible to measure that actual output from volcanoes. But it's also not possible to measure the actual output from man-made CO2. It's all based on estimates. The only real number is how much is measured in the air, and that has to be averaged on a worldwide basis because it varies widely. It's not possible to separate how much of that is actually due to natural sources, man-made sources, volcanoes, or the increased number of people exhaling CO2. That is all based on estimates.

You could say their estimates have been wrong all along, and the six-fold increase is an adjustment, but volcanic outgassing has never been steady. There are years with almost no volcanic activity and years with 30 to 40 active volcanoes, as we are seeing right now. Almost all the current activity is in South America and the Pacific Rim, which is why we don't hear about it in the US and Europe.

We are so overwhelmed with junk science from the climate research community who are all wollering at the money trough that it's hard to tell when we see the real thing.

What's erupting? List & map of currently active volcanoes

I see about 40 volcanoes that are outgassing, of which 22 are errupting.
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The Keeling curve is invalid and insignificant. It was probably paid for with taxpayer man-made climate research money. If it had shown something different, the funding would have been yanked.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
1958 it started long before climate change was known, discussed or more latterly politicized.
You are a moron.

You simply can't argue with the Keeling curve. If you don't believe it, buy are C02 meter and go outside and
measure the level once a day. Plot it on a graph.
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