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Old 08-26-2019, 09:25 AM
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By the next presidential election if Trump wins the left goes nuts, if the left wins they still go off the deep end.
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Just a few random thoughts:

The best attack times for our enemies are I believe: Christian Holidays, Christmas being the biggest. Many high ranking decision making military and legislative people are at home with their families. They wouldn't be in control as much as if they were at their duty stations. That includes Congressional people.

Using high altitude nuke explosions would knock out the power grids in many areas. Within a year many of the US populations would be dead or unable to defend themselves. The country attacking us would just have to wait for us to fall apart. They want what we have and not use ground level nukes and contaminate the areas they need or want.

Preps are a personal thing. Much depends on where we live and what we would need. People in the cold northern states would need more than than those living in the warmer south.

People who have never cooked over an open fire and have the items they would need. They wouldn't make it. People without a wood burning fireplace or wood stove in northern states would be at risk. Since I don't know anything about stoves using other types of fuel I don't know if they can burn other fuels. Comments or information anyone?

I prep in many ways and can live without the grid if needed. Heat, water and other food sources are at hand. I prep for those items I would need besides those. It is a work in progress and I buy those type of items almost weekly.
I doubt we would have much warning if any if something very bad was coming. Watch the wildlife including the Washington people. If Congress was suddenly "given leave to go home" that maybe a warning of a coming SHTF event. Sudden massive military movements may be other signs. I.E. "Where have all the aircraft gone from the local US Airbase"? "Where have all the Navel Ships gone in the last few days"?

I have thought long and hard about moving to a safer location.. My age and limited support group won't allow it. My support group is here.

We are the Go To House if SHTF. None of the others prep except one. They have all the excuses and you have heard of them before on here.

It is all hypothetical I know. I am just throwing things out there to think about. I am prepped enough not to lose sleep over "What I still need"? That doesn't mean I am done prepping. I am not..... I hope you aren't done either.

As with any SHTF event here will probably be no warning. No time to last minute shop; go to the store; buy gas; leave town or go to your BUG OUT PREPPED LOCATION.

Between all the counties that want us dead or totally disabled. North Korea supported by China will start it from the back ground; or IRAN whose radical Muslim population want us dead; Russia will watch from the outside waiting if they aren't the ones to start it; or a radical Muslim group using a nuke on a ship anchored near the coast of the US. Any one of these would do it. I truly believe the clock is ticking.... Time maybe running out?

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OP you have a plan work the plan, in the end that’s all any of us can do.

Just remember that Tyson quote and have another plan if you get punched in the mouth.


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What if’s
Something that’s been in my mind for awhile
What if the leaders from the G7 or G20 came/went home and made a coordinated announcement “ we are convinced that global warming is a really thing. so we’re ordering all fossil fuel burning stopped as of midnight of date X, this isn’t a phase out everything goes cold at that time . Good night and good luck”.

That about covers everything socio-economic, loss of modern...anything.
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So looking back at my post and the comments I see that a lot of replies have been in regards to prepping as a lifestyle vs. a destination and that wasn't the intent of my post but thank you. Obviously prepping is a lifestyle.
Prepping as a "lifestyle" means it is just another hobby - like playing poker, making furniture, collecting stamps, gardening, etc., something to do when you're not working.

That's not me. I spent a year building my stash and my plan. It was fun but except for SB and occasional tweaks I am as ready for TEOTWAWKI as I'll ever be. Time to get on with the other 99 things in my life.
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We don't prep for scenarios. We don't let political or religious posturing determine our happiness, or the lack thereof. We were both raised preppers. I had a brief period of freaking out when I first left home. Hubby did too, but he joined the military. We've been together 20 years now and have been through a few of our own SHTFs. 9 days bugged in during a blizzard taught us a few things. The turn of the century got me off my butt and I got everything electronic protected/backed up. 2012 watching newbs max out their credit cards on stuff they had no idea how to use motivated us trim our own budget a bit, although we don't use credit.
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So looking back at my post and the comments I see that a lot of replies have been in regards to prepping as a lifestyle vs. a destination and that wasn't the intent of my post but thank you. Obviously prepping is a lifestyle.
I suppose if I were to change the direction of this post I would ask are you prepping for a possible immanent full scale collapse of society or are you prepping for smaller things that may be large in the event for the moment but not full scale sweeping the entire country for as long as we know it?
In other words I am prepping for an EMP / grid down scenario vs. a Katrina type scenario.
There are many many differences. It is a night and day difference in perspective and purpose and preps.
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Within 10 years I anticipate only needing to import from outside my immediate area things like citrus and chocolate.
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Agree with NWGuy-- Cuban Missile Crisis was about as close to SHTF as it can get without it actually happening. When I was home, I was watching it unfold on TV (what they broadcast, anyway), and at school, the teacher was grumpy/scared, but she was trying to hide it. We had extra "duck and cover" drills, but then ended up with a couple of days off when they closed the school. Like a lot of other terrified people, my parents had a lot of "private time" away from us kids. We prayed a lot as a family for our country, leaders, the Soviets, etc.--dinner got cold many days in a row. I think the biggest lesson I learned then was the reality of praying for one's enemies, no matter how scared and not understanding the "why," and what loving and praying for one's enemies really meant.

The wall going up in Berlin was scary, and we prayed a lot about it/for the people "over there," but Germany was "far away," while Cuba was "close." Ditto for the Soviets in Czechloslovakia in 1968--"far away," so "nothing" to worry about, but Dad had to go onto the university campus almost every day during the Vietnam protests, and we were a lot more worried (and prayed harder for him) because of the riots. Proximity has a lot to do with event-driven fear.

I think what makes it different today are more information and the country not being as united against a (one) common enemy as it once was. Including many people not even knowing or caring about their neighbors today

Today isn't nearly as scary as stuff in the 50s and 60s
Have to agree. And with NW. Dad being a retired Chief with 36 years in, he had his network. We were ready to go to the airport and go. I was in jr. high back then and everywhere and everything was tense.
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Could happen tomorrow or in a year or 10 years.
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I'm not really asking everyone a question so much as to say that things seem to be ramping up in intensity to lead to a full blown SHTF societal collapse scenario.

We are pushing Iran who could EMP us...or take over the worlds largest oil supply and wreck the US petro dollar system.

We have not resolve with NK who Woosley confirmed has EMP on a satellite that orbits the US ever 48 hours.

Russia has the Poseidon sub marine torpedo that could wipe our our coastal cities.

Weather patterns are getting crazy.

Earthquakes are ramping up.

Civil war is looming!

The PetroDollar system could get removed easily (big one)

Terror attackers could get smart and start to do a lot on a big scale with all the imported refugees that no doubt have ties to them here.

And well the list goes on.

But serious major events seem to be knocking at our door and getting very close.



So where are you in your preps? Do you still have a fire under your boot to complete what you set out to start? Do you have a goal and are you determined to make it to that goal? Do you know who you would group up with?

For the most part I am done with what I want for now. I live at my retreat. But have also spent years researching for a best case location and have recently found where I want to move. Have even made an offer on a house and hope it goes through. If so I would buy now and move in November of 2020. Would have a lot of work to do the first year making some changes to the house and farm. But I am REALLY good at getting a lot done. In truth waiting for 14 months is killing me but I have to stay here for the time being for the money I will make from now through next year, then I'm out.

Have a group I might join near by there and it seems that it could work out good or maybe just meeting people in the county. That would also be top on my list.

So all in all though I see things ramping up hard for a perfect storm. I am hoping for 2-3 years. I know some will say they've been prepping since the 60's or 70's and things seemed bad and could happen at any moment but I think this time it will be different for many reasons.

Your thoughts on the intensity of things that could cause for a full scale societal collapse and how the signs have been intensifying?
War is already upon us brother. Fascism at out doorstep. The far socialist left is determined to drench the soil of the republic with the blood of patriots and socialists, but perhaps it is good timing, for the tree of freedom thirsts.

Will our children, and children's children know freedom? It is up to us to decide...

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Life wouldn't be worth living if you fret daily over some natural or man-made calamity that's just around the corner. Balance is essential for your sanity. Understanding that being prepared is a continual journey, a constant evolution, and a lifestyle that changes over time with discipline and a little dedication.

I'm good. Better than yesterday, but always seeking to improve tomorrow.

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We were ready to go to the airport and go. I was in jr. high back then and everywhere and everything was tense.
The 50s and 60s were always tense. I remember going on bomb shelter open house tours. I remember one that had an indoor gun range/exit made out of corrugated culvert pipe.

My uncle started one and dad was going to dig one but decided the basement was better.

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How much time? I'd say until the second week of November of next year. That's when the left will start torching neighborhoods and cities.
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So looking back at my post and the comments I see that a lot of replies have been in regards to prepping as a lifestyle vs. a destination and that wasn't the intent of my post but thank you. Obviously prepping is a lifestyle.
I suppose if I were to change the direction of this post I would ask are you prepping for a possible immanent full scale collapse of society or are you prepping for smaller things that may be large in the event for the moment but not full scale sweeping the entire country for as long as we know it?
In other words I am prepping for an EMP / grid down scenario vs. a Katrina type scenario.
There are many many differences. It is a night and day difference in perspective and purpose and preps.
Should I start another post for this?

I think what you're asking is, do you prep for TEOTWAWKI, or "regular" SHTF, or both, or neither? You could do a thread with a poll with the various options and ask people to vote and then post why...

I prep skills, knowledge, and needed items for things that are most likely/certain to happen where I am: old age/infirmity, identity theft/fraud, tornadoes/severe thunderstorms/wind shear, snow/ice storms, intense cold/wind chill, power outages, water outages/contamination, internet outages/tech issues, bridge/road closures, vehicle break downs, house fire, gas leak, insect/rodent/etc. pests attacking the garden, stupid crap around the house, boo-boos that don't require a trip to the doc/vet or drug store if there's a good first aid kit/medicine cabinet, haz mat spill, burglary/theft, assault/robbery, attack on the church, banning the Bible, persecution, etc., etc., etc.

Prepping for "regular" SHTF will help in the event of TEOTWAWKI, but it's not like having 20 years of LTS food and water and a BOL in the middle of nowhere. I personally don't worry about TEOTWAWKI because I think it'll happen due to the rapture of the church. If I'm wrong, and I'm still around if TEOTWAWKI happens, then what we have is what we have, and with God's help and blessing, we adapt, overcome, and make the best of it.

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As far as the societal collapse scenario goes, you are already seeing some crazy stuff going on.
I wouldnt sit around waiting for a formal SHTF letter. It will never arrive.
Once you have ARMED groups that are actively RESISTING against a democratically elected leader, you're way past waiting for SHTF to officially start.
That's the nature of the thing. You're going about your normal day, pickign kdis from school, grocery shopping or whatver the hell it is you are doing and somoene may very well stab you today for wearing a MAGA hat they areactively "resisting" against.
Take all the precautions and steps you need today.
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Yep, yep, once you've been through something like the Cuban Missile Crisis, you don't have to look into the abyss anymore. It's a part of you.

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So looking back at my post and the comments I see that a lot of replies have been in regards to prepping as a lifestyle vs. a destination and that wasn't the intent of my post but thank you. Obviously prepping is a lifestyle.
I suppose if I were to change the direction of this post I would ask are you prepping for a possible immanent full scale collapse of society or are you prepping for smaller things that may be large in the event for the moment but not full scale sweeping the entire country for as long as we know it?
In other words I am prepping for an EMP / grid down scenario vs. a Katrina type scenario.
There are many many differences. It is a night and day difference in perspective and purpose and preps.
Should I start another post for this?
I anticipate a long, slow slough into ever greater difficulties. Keeping in mind that at any time one of those difficulties could blow up and consume me. The only answer is general preparedness, keeping an eye on things and anticipating problems, and not being so wedded to scenarios you refuse to consider new dangers.
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By the next presidential election if Trump wins the left goes nuts, if the left wins they still go off the deep end.
OP, brings up some good points. But **** happens, we just have to deal with it somewhat prepared or not prepared at all.

What worries me is the extremists dems talking control of the USA and calling in the guns. That is the plan, not a fantasy worry.

Btw...OP left out meteor hitting us,Yellowstone blowing its lid and Isis using biological warfare on us.
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Anyone claiming to have an answer to that... is selling something. Therefore the answer is to develop a methodology... that may mean most likely events first vs events that require specialized prep or vice versa, and work on it as rapidly as reason dictates. IMHO abandoning “normal life” to live a post-apocalyptic lifestyle to minimize the impact of SHTF is not a good plan for most.
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I spent $84.00 on preps the morning. It is a work in progress since almost everything is edible. Some are: zipper plastic snack bags to pack small items away; bar soap and body wipes. As I said everything else we can eat.

Now to stash it away from her prying eyes. She snoops around some days. The less the wife knows the better. LOL

No... she is not on board with "prepping". Some days she is "on" and most days she is "off". So I do what I want with my funds she doesn't have control of.
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Y2K. I remember telling a music friend of mine about the disaster which would soon hit us. I remember a house being sold nearby by a couple, the husband being a computer "expert". They had moved from a lucrative computer technology job in Boise to our "safe" area to avoid the coming societal collapse. After the computers didn't crash in 2000, I continually saw at yard sales, 40-pound sealed buckets of wheat, rice, beans, powdered milk, and flour. I still have some of the flour I bought at those sales. I got it for around 10--20 cents on the dollar, though my funds were limited, but after 15 years, I gave a lot of that away to an up and coming generation, that thinks disaster is right around the corner.

A lot of people around here, who didn't move after the no-collapse, kept their food storage but I gave some 3000 pounds away in 2015, keeping what would last be 2-3 years in a possible disaster. I know many people who have stored away 10,000 pounds of wheat. I worked for a family once who had a 40-foot tractor trailer full of preps like wheat and several 50-gallon barrels of honey, and another trailer partly full. At one time I had nearly 5000 pounds of dry foods.

So even if you store too much and nothing comes as you expected, you can always sell to the next generation. I've done that since 1970.
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Since I don't know anything about stoves using other types of fuel I don't know if they can burn other fuels. Comments or information anyone?

Yeah! Coal! We got plenty of it.
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What if’s
Something that’s been in my mind for awhile
What if the leaders from the G7 or G20 came/went home and made a coordinated announcement “ we are convinced that global warming is a really thing. so we’re ordering all fossil fuel burning stopped as of midnight of date X, this isn’t a phase out everything goes cold at that time . Good night and good luck”.
That can't happen, they don't have the individual authority to pronounce a complete ban on something.

Give the left control and they will do exactly that by passing laws, they want to do it right now.

Does the ban also apply to China, India, Russia,.......?

If it only applies to the G7/G20 is obviously a political ploy to overthrow America and a few others.
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