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Old 08-13-2019, 03:00 PM
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I was wondering what a good hammerless .357 snub to consider, my right side is my strong side or was as my right leg and hip are really bad. The full size guns I have are gettin pretty heavy, 1911’s and K and N frames. What snuby is reliable and a good choice in .357. Thanks. Paul
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Why hammerless and why .357?

Not a criticism just wondering. I just seem to prefer guns with a hammer. When I cock I am more accurate. Hammerless takes that option away. What am I missing.

It also seem a step down from .357 to a 38 Sp. might be in order also.

Anyway I like Smith & Wesson what ever your choice.
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Old 08-13-2019, 03:24 PM
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Palmetto tree, brother I was just seeing what all is out there. Sometimes a full rig really wears my right side down and weighs really heavy on my hip and spine. As far as why .357 I want all the advantage I can get. My wife has a Taurus mod 85 I believe it is. It’s small and the weight flaky loaded ain’t hard on me, but i’m not taking hers, as far as hammerless, I have tried hers in my front pocket it gets snagged also back pocket snags some. I figured no hammer no snag. But trust me I don’t even come close to knowing what I used to know. But we have shot full house .357 in her lil Taurus and she nor I have any problem with the recoil. I have thousands of .38 rounds but just 2 boxes of SD .357 ammo.
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I've got a Ruger LCR in .357... but I've gotta tell ya, it ain't no fun to shoot! Drop .38's in it and shoot much more comfortably.
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About the only gun in the stable I have that due to arthritis I can’t hardly shoot any more is my smith .41 mag mountain gun I have most of the mountain gun collection and the .44 I just shot 6 that was enough for me. But the .357 to me it’s not bad in her Taurus.
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Palmetto tree, brother I was just seeing what all is out there. Sometimes a full rig really wears my right side down and weighs really heavy on my hip and spine. As far as why .357 I want all the advantage I can get. My wife has a Taurus mod 85 I believe it is. Itís small and the weight flaky loaded ainít hard on me, but iím not taking hers, as far as hammerless, I have tried hers in my front pocket it gets snagged also back pocket snags some. I figured no hammer no snag. But trust me I donít even come close to knowing what I used to know. But we have shot full house .357 in her lil Taurus and she nor I have any problem with the recoil. I have thousands of .38 rounds but just 2 boxes of SD .357 ammo.
Thanks makes complete sense.
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the new kimbers 357 are nice very accurate built like a tank.
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If you can tolerate recoil and demand to practice w 357s and want airweight frame then Smiths J frame alloys are for you.
If recoil really hurts and you still want to practice w 357s then a Smith 640 pro in SS is the answer. (Love mine but heavy)
A 2” or 2.5” or even 3” just doesn’t get a 357 up to rated terminal velocity. Yup, hits harder than a 38+p but blinds ya, makes ya deaf and late on shot #2.

Your call. Smiths in airweight have different sights, get a night sight or light pipe. 7 to 9 hundred dollars easy. Personally get the night sight, light pipes break easier and are worthless in the dark.

You can get combat grips for a j frame and it covers the backstrap. Little harder to hide, but a world of good when you shoot

Revolvers rule.
Except 1911s.
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https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm...ries-model-640
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S&W 640 with 2.25" barrel is easier to carry than 4" K frame.

Ruger LCR .357 (two of 'em, original grip on one, Crimson Trace laser on the other) both light and easy to shoot well with practice, lighter than the 640.

Ruger SP 101, ported. Heavy little chunk.

All three rip and roar with .357 110-125 grain HP.

Ayoob sez .38 Special wadcutters are now being seen as the load of choice for snub .38 and .357s.

Latest Advice: https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/lc...-wife.1778150/

Earlier: "There has been a lot of push in the wound ballistics community for the old .38 Special match mid-range 148 grain wadcutter for use in lightweight snubbies. Penetration is adequate; it cuts a full diameter wound channel from contact on; and has famously light recoil. That might be the optimal choice for you."
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I have now and carry daily a Smith & Wesson 340 M&P. .357 magnum is painful and very slow recovery for the 2nd shot. I currently carry with .357 125 grain magnum loads and .38 Special +P as a reload. Concealed hammer, Express style front night sight and subdued finish. I recently practiced a .40 round qualification course from the strong side pocket (DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster). 5 magnums and 35 .38 +P rounds later and all is good. Easily passed the qualifier with its generous time limits except for the 2 rounds in 1 second x3 stage. The magnum in particular and +P in a scandium frame is very hard to control in rapid fire. I got 40 hits out of 40 tries but only 37 would count since the 2nd shot on those 1 second strings pass the limit every time. When shooting regular .38s I had no issues.

I do love how well it carries and the option of heavy loads is a bonus but I am seriously thinking of parking the magnums. This is my 2nd 340 and the first left the stable for a trade but this one is a keeper and has replaced my S&W 638.
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I was wondering what a good hammerless .357 snub to consider, my right side is my strong side or was as my right leg and hip are really bad. The full size guns I have are gettin pretty heavy, 1911ís and K and N frames. What snuby is reliable and a good choice in .357. Thanks. Paul
Go with the scandium snubby 340PD.

Weighs less than a watch and packs a punch that makes the hammer of thor feel like a slight breeze.

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Thanks for the info folks it’s much appreciated, what I can remember could fill a small book, but what I don’t remember could fill a library. The .38 just very well may be the way to go here. If Ayoob said it then i’ll take it as the gospel. I do know who he is. Folks I was in bad shape and it’s all like starting over again. Which I pretty much am. Thanks guys it sure helps..
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Thanks for the info folks itís much appreciated, what I can remember could fill a small book, but what I donít remember could fill a library. The .38 just very well may be the way to go here. If Ayoob said it then iíll take it as the gospel. I do know who he is. Folks I was in bad shape and itís all like starting over again. Which I pretty much am. Thanks guys it sure helps..
Just because the gun is chambered in 357 it doesn't mean you have to shoot them. It just gives you more options than a similar design in 38 only, and if you choose a stainless model it will add some weight to tame the recoil.

No one enjoys shooting an Airweight 357 with heavy loads, but most anyone can handle one loaded with 38 SPCL.
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https://ruger.com/products/lcr/overview.html

https://ruger.com/products/sp101/specSheets/5720.html
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I like my little model 60 SW 38 but the air weight is so lite in the pocket you donít know itís there .
I have a 357 model 60 in steel and a ruger sp101 that is about the same , they all have hammers .
If I have bears around I like the 357 but carry a Ruger security six 2 7/8 barrel six shot on my belt .
The hammer dosent bother me if I pull my revolver out of my pocket my thumb is over the hammer .
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While there have been improvements in alloys and heat treatment since the 1980s, today's small-frame .357s are not engineered to law enforcement standards of durability. Their design intent is NOT to be subjected to high-volume use of full-charge .357 Magnum loads.

S&W marketing presumes that once owners satisfy their initial curiosity and realize how unpleasant the smaller guns are to fire with .357s, they will stick mostly to .38 Specials. The improved metallurgy and heat treatment of modern J-frames and similar will be acceptably durable for civilian users firing modern .38 Special personal defense loads in the volume normally expected of "hobby shooters."

I would not expect modern J-frames to hold up in a 5000-round endurance test with +P+LE or Magnum loadss without requiring repairs or parts replacements beyond the user level. +P+ LE .38 Special loads generate pressures 15% above industry +P standard. The 5000-round endurance test with no malfunctions or parts replacement was the 1980s standard for Federal law enforcement. Never saw more than 50% of K-frames make it. That's why they developed the L-frame.
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Taurus 605 is a great little J-Frame sized 357 in stainless steel but it has a hammer, you can always cut the hammer spur off if you want a hammerless snubnose.
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I say go for it!

The 640 is hammerless

I've got a 2" 357 snub, 38 Spec doesn't do much for me as they are quite mild.

I reload and take a 125gr HP to 1000fps which is equivalent to a 38 Spec +P

I use a very fast burning powder (Bullseye) and is low flash for this particular load

Pretty formidable round and lot less bark and bite than 357 magnums out of the snubby.

But every now and then I'll touch off a few magnums just to get a few jollies before I leave the range

BTW.....I've carried it in my back pocket, hammer and all!
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