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Old 06-20-2019, 08:14 PM
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Anyone use a Mossberg .410 or 20 games with a pistol grip and 18" barrel.? Saw a used one in .410 and looked fun to take camping or keep at the cabin.
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Incase you don`t know 410 ammo is way more expencive than regular 12g.
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I have and use my 870 Express with a 20" barrel, screw in chokes, pistol gripped, extended magazine and sling with 10 extra rounds. I put a mid bead in the rib to serve as the rear sight for slugs.

As a kid I used a Savage 22/410. I worked up a load using the 3" aluminium military shells using 5 .383 cast rounds balls.

The Winchester 9410 was sort of interesting.
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If a step down in power is needed because of a weaker person, smaller stature, or just lighter ammo, I would say go 20 gauge and skip the .410. 20 gauge can do anything the .410 can do better, and except in bear or moose circumstances, the slugs will kill anything a 12 gauge can.

I have no idea why the .410 ammunition is so expensive, but you can almost get double the amount of 12 gauge for the same price of .410, if you shop right.
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Add another vote for 20 > 410. Unless dove hunting were in the plans I'd take a .22 over the 410 too.
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We keep a single shot .410 by the door for shooting critters. This sob was chewing on my back deck last month. Taught him a lesson then fried him and ate him.


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I love 410 shotguns. I didn't consider one because of all the negetive comments on the forums. Then I found a Baikal/Spartan Remington branded 22/410 at WM and bought it on a whim. What a fun gun that was to shoot. I liked the 410 so much I bought 4 more, two Mossberg bolts and two NEF/H&R single shot 410s.

And yes ammo is expensive but I just made my own reloading set up and use a Mec resizer to size the base and then roll crimp the shells. Its not fast but it makes ammo just as good as factory stuff and cost almost nothing since I scroung hulls and already have close to 100 pounds of shot. I even bought a .395 mold and make a 3 ball load I would use on deer if needed.

And bigger rounds are more effective but for a survivalist gun its pretty good. In a survival situation I wouldn't waste ammo on a Dove. I would if where were 3-4 sitting close together on a tree limb and one shot would get them all.

The 410 is not a good wing shooting gun. Not unless your skills are better than mine. The shot string is long and spread out but on a sitting target that makes no difference. For a sitting duck or turkey within 30 yards I would use a 410. And the 3 ball load I make has three 93gr round balls going 1150fps so thats low 9mm power and more than a 380 and you get three hits with each shot.

This fellow is doing almost the same thing I am doing to reload shells. I thought I had came up with something new but someone else was already doing it.

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I am stacked pretty deep on .410 ammo in slugs, buck, and a variety of loads. I have a double barrel I used as a kid and a savage .410/22 o/u. I was thinking a very light weight shotty that anyone could use. I have a couple tactical 870 in 12 ga but have never had a 20 ga...
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Anyone use a Mossberg .410 or 20 games with a pistol grip and 18" barrel.? Saw a used one in .410 and looked fun to take camping or keep at the cabin.

I like the Mossberg 500E which is a pump 410. Mossberg has started making the shockwave in 410. If you are interested in that sort of thing.
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hard pass - fun as a toy make clay target games more challenging , can be used on game but not very sporting
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I like the 410 for shooting grouse where distances are often fairly close and a larger bore would shred the bird. The 410 is also a good garden pest and snake gun as well. There are times when a larger shot load is not needed or necessary.

I approached the idea of getting a 410 from a hunting perspective, my 500E initially came with a full choke Vent rib barrel. I added an 18" barrel and pistol grip, because some day I might need a compact 410.


As far as a 410 being a fun toy, well that's a stretch of imagination, The 410 is equal to other bores in every way except payload, recoil and muzzle blast. A lighter payload doesn't make it a novelty, far from it. While the larger bores are certainly more potent, there are times when a more potent load is not necessary or desirable. Example, I don't need the power of a 12 or 20 to dispatch grouse, snakes or garden pests at close distance.
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You can't go wrong with a .410. Yes, the shells are more expensive than a 12 gage, but the .410 has its place. I've got a Mossberg pump and it's a sweet little shotgun. I've also got a Savage 22/410 over under. Both are good varmit guns. Not having the power of a 12 gage, I use a 3" shell and #6 shot. It's a good all around shell..

Oh, and the .410 with buckshot is pretty impressive..
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I have no idea why the .410 ammunition is so expensive, but you can almost get double the amount of 12 gauge for the same price of .410, if you shop right.
Actually, about 3 times. .410 tends to be around $16. You can get 12ga (or 20ga) target loads on sale for about $5.
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Actually, about 3 times. .410 tends to be around $16. You can get 12ga (or 20ga) target loads on sale for about $5.

You're wrong...LOL


https://www.luckygunner.com/shotgun/410-ammo-shells


Sure it may be more expensive than the common 12ga, but not by much...
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I am stacked pretty deep on .410 ammo in slugs, buck, and a variety of loads. I have a double barrel I used as a kid and a savage .410/22 o/u. I was thinking a very light weight shotty that anyone could use. I have a couple tactical 870 in 12 ga but have never had a 20 ga...
I have a couple of 410's , one 20 gauge and several 12 gauges , Go with what you got a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush. JMHO and S/FI! Keep am eye out for sales on ammo and or reloading stuff.
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As far as a 410 being a fun toy, well that's a stretch of imagination, The 410 is equal to other bores in every way except payload, recoil and muzzle blast. A lighter payload doesn't make it a novelty, far from it. While the larger bores are certainly more potent, there are times when a more potent load is not necessary or desirable. Example, I don't need the power of a 12 or 20 to dispatch grouse, snakes or garden pests at close distance.
Just the way I look at it. A larger gauge is not always needed. For sitting targets the 410 is the right gun. And yes the 410 is limited on range but for me its no big deal to be limited to a 30 yard gun. Most of my kills with a SG are in that range when hunting Squirrels. I have never shot a rabbit with a 410. But I have killed a bunch of rabbits and they are one of the easiest animals to kill.

A magazine I like to read is The Backwoodsman. There have been several articles on the 410 for a surviver gun. Also on single shot shotguns in general. I have three 410s, three 20gauge and two 12gauge guns. The 410s and 20gauge see the most use.

I have seen and bought 3" Rio 410 ammo for around $6 a box in the past. since I started loading my own I don't look at ammo prices on the 410. But you can find deals if you look. I bought 500 primed hulls off Gunbroker a couple years ago and that will most likely give me all the 410 ammo I will ever need.
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IDK, I learned how to shoot clay pigeons as a kid with a single shot 410. I see lots of uses for them just for the light recoil. My single shot could also shoot a few other rimmed pistol cartridges out of it too. If you want one, get one.
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One of my shooting friends is a shotgun buff but not a hunter. His like to go to the range and shoot Skeet. His goal is to break 25 in a row. He gets close but so far no cigar.

He was at the range about 6 months ago and a fellow was using a Winchester 410 over/under firing shells loaded by his 10 year old daughter and he shot 25 straight not once but twice in a row. My friend was depressed for a week. Lol.
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If you reload, have the right techniques and the proper weapon/rifling, straight cases like the 45-70 and 45 Colt can be loaded with shot and produce great results. Most of the time the rifling tends to scatter the shot resulting in a few pellets in the center and large empty space with the rest of the shot scattered around the ring.
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I load shot in Starline 5 in 1 blank cases and use these in my .44-40, .44 Magnum and .45 Colt revolvers, as well as in an antique H&R .44 Garden Gun and in a .410 single-barrel. Garden gun has extra 19" .44-40 rifle barrel fabricated by John Taylor from a pull-off Marlin 1894 .44 barrel, fitted with ghost ring peep sight. Great combo for camp meat! D1C repair center I use for patterning survival handgun shot loads is 11 inches square with 4" inner ring and 8 inch outer ring. I like to see a number of pellet hits in the smaller inner ring equal to the shot size to determine effective small game range. Works out to about 15 ft. in a revolver, 25 feet in a Microgroove carbine, as its shallow rifling disperses the shot less, 30 feet in the cylinder bore .44 garden gun and 50 feet in a .410 full choke. Holds 1/3 oz. of shot.

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