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Unless you hunt in a limited rifle caliber area like lower MI. it answered the question there of when will someone make a perfect deer cartridge that works within the new laws.

Iím not interested in it but plenty in MI got the answer to the actual question.
It's pretty much identical to the performance of the 357 Maximum, which has been around since the early 80's.

http://357maximum.net/

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The .357 Maximum, formally known as the .357 Remington Maximum or the .357 Max, is a super magnum handgun cartridge originally developed by Elgin Gates as the wildcat .357 SuperMag. The .357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk.
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It's pretty much identical to the performance of the 357 Maximum, which has been around since the early 80's.

http://357maximum.net/
180 grain max loads are 1900fps in 14Ē barrels. Itís max psi is 40,000psi. Legend hits 2100fps and has a max psi of 55,000psi.

Maximum is significantly lower in SAAMI max psi. It canít be made to work in semi auto actions. Falls short on ballistics. It donít matter if itís been around since the 80s. The 350 legend is not anything near the weaker potential of the 357 maximum.
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This .350 Legend sounds like the .357 version of the .444 Marlin. Like fflincher, Iím pretty happy with my .35 Remington (JM Marlin 336).
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180 grain max loads are 1900fps in 14Ē barrels. Itís max psi is 40,000psi. Legend hits 2100fps and has a max psi of 55,000psi.

Maximum is significantly lower in SAAMI max psi. It canít be made to work in semi auto actions. Falls short on ballistics. It donít matter if itís been around since the 80s. The 350 legend is not anything near the weaker potential of the 357 maximum.
Compare them in equal barrel lengths.
They are virtually identical.


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Optimum overall rifle performance is 2300 to 2400 fps with 180 gr. bullets and 1800 (+) fps from 10" barrels at the short end of barrel lengths.
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https://www.chuckhawks.com/win_350_legend.html
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Compare them in equal barrel lengths.
They are virtually identical.


357 Maximum:
http://357maximum.net/


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https://www.chuckhawks.com/win_350_legend.html
Stop with the facts
You are dealing with a real deal operator
Think of all the wet-work the bone killa done did
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The .350 Legend is quite a bit below my pick in the .35 bore, the .358 Winchester.
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Stop with the facts
You are dealing with a real deal operator
Think of all the wet-work the bone killa done did
Wait till the internet ninjas here realize you can shoot 265 grain bullets at 1060 fps. They'll think their 300BO they worship is a whisper once they realize the 350 legend is superior in every way to their internet cool last week's choice. It throws a 145 grain faster than the BO can do with a 125. But **** man, some idiot repeated another idiots uninformed facts that its just a rimless 357 maximum.

What idiot thinks a cartridge at 40,000psi is equal to the same diameter bore at 55,000psi. An idiot on the internet is who. But as long as it is the popular thing to say, you'll make yourself look just as dumb defending them, on the internet LMAO. You kids really need to get out and shoot. Maybe then you'll realize what 15,000 extra psi does for the same diameter bullets.
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The .350 Legend is quite a bit below my pick in the .35 bore, the .358 Winchester.
That's all well and good, and while I'm loathe to appear like I'm on the same side as dust bone, you have to remember there is a market for a straight-walled rifle cartridge, and something in the .35 caliber range is going to draw a lot of interest in those areas.

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It's pretty much identical to the performance of the 357 Maximum, which has been around since the early 80's.
Perhaps, but the Maximum is a rimmed cartridge, the Legend is not.

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This .350 Legend sounds like the .357 version of the .444 Marlin.
Except built for the AR platform. And not rimmed.
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Funny how rusty boner gets all bent out of shape about a repackaging of the 300whisper as the 300blk but with much more corporate backing at much better time for AR calibers to take seed, but is all excited about the new "wonder 357 max" i.e. the 357legend which is nothing but a repackaging of the 357max with more corporate backing in a time for a new AR round to take seed almost as good as when the 300BLK came out. I also thought guys who claimed to be military & was proven they weren't were getting the boot, so why is rusty boner still here? He MUST have some good dirt on one of the mods.

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Funny how rusty boner gets all bent out of shape about a repackaging of the 300whisper as the 300blk but with much more corporate backing at much better time for AR calibers to take seed, but is all excited about the new "wonder 357 max" i.e. the 357legend which is nothing but a repackaging of the 357max with more corporate backing in a time for a new AR round to take seed almost as good as when the 300BLK came out. I also thought guys who claimed to be military & was proven they weren't were getting the boot, so why is rusty boner still here? He MUST have some good dirt on one of the mods.

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I like 357 mag. To me it is the ideal round. 357 max is just a little better. I have to admit that I have never shot a deer with a 357 mag rifle. I have shot wild boar and a horse along with a lot of varmints. the 350 round is interesting but what is the availability of brass? What will it be in 10 years? I'm not a fan of the 44 mag. which is almost blasphemy here but that is life. Opening weekend of deer season will find me in the woods with my ruger 357 rifle and my chain saw to cut wood after the hunt. The round is interesting but not tempting as I have a 357 mag rifle. the 350 looks like the answer to a question which has not been asked.
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Funny how rusty boner gets all bent out of shape about a repackaging of the 300whisper as the 300blk but with much more corporate backing at much better time for AR calibers to take seed, but is all excited about the new "wonder 357 max" i.e. the 357legend which is nothing but a repackaging of the 357max with more corporate backing in a time for a new AR round to take seed almost as good as when the 300BLK came out. I also thought guys who claimed to be military & was proven they weren't were getting the boot, so why is rusty boner still here? He MUST have some good dirt on one of the mods.

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Thereís another 35 caliber out there for you itís identical to the 357 max crowd. Itís called 380 ACP, itís 15,000 psi less than 9x19mm. Itís so nearly identical to 9mm that all police are dumping 9mm for the nearly identical 380 ACP.

I doubt many of you internet shooters are aware of the power difference between the two. 15k psi difference is identical to all you keyboard experts.

You kids just want to fit in somewhere and itís obvious most of you donít know what 15k psi extra does for a caliber. Itís why you chairborne cyber troopers are dumping 9mm for the identical 380. Itís the trendy internet thing to do. Itís identical according to you keyboard experts.

Put your computer down and go shoot, get some experience.
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come up with a cool name and you'll make some sales

to call it a boring name you must be employed by Remington
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Stop with the facts
You are dealing with a real deal operator
Think of all the wet-work the bone killa done did
Sorry.
I got carried away.
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That's all well and good, and while I'm loathe to appear like I'm on the same side as dust bone, you have to remember there is a market for a straight-walled rifle cartridge, and something in the .35 caliber range is going to draw a lot of interest in those areas.


Perhaps, but the Maximum is a rimmed cartridge, the Legend is not.


Except built for the AR platform. And not rimmed.
Many of the backwards states which require straight walled cartridges also don't allow semi-autos.

The type of firearm makes little difference in performance, which is all I've talked about.

It's just one more cartridge that duplicates the performance of several others while pretending to be unique.
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hmm . . . flies faster, hits harder, larger diameter bullet, and almost a half-inch longer case . . . yeah, just tweaks and marketing.
Let's look at some numbers...

.351 Win = ~.351-.352" bullet, .350 Legend = .357 - .358" bullet.

Wow! Six whole thousandths of difference.

Now for some real chronograph ballistics...

.351 Winchester (out of Model 1907 Semi-Auto with 20" barrel) ==>

Winchester 180 grain FMJ (old production) = 1962 fps,
Winchester 180 grain JSP (late '80s production) = 1924 fps

.350 Legend (out of XPR Compact Bolt Gun with 20" barrel) ==>

Winchester 180 gr PowerPoint = 2062 fps

So for roughly 110 years of powder development and a .335" longer case, Winchester has squeezed out approximately 100 fps of higher performance, and that's not even counting the fact that some of the .351's energy is going to operate the 1907's action.

Yes- It's tweaks and marketing.
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Let's look at some numbers...

.351 Win = ~.351-.352" bullet, .350 Legend = .357 - .358" bullet.

Wow! Six whole thousandths of difference.

Now for some real chronograph ballistics...

.351 Winchester (out of Model 1907 Semi-Auto with 20" barrel) ==>

Winchester 180 grain FMJ (old production) = 1962 fps,
Winchester 180 grain JSP (late '80s production) = 1924 fps

.350 Legend (out of XPR Compact Bolt Gun with 20" barrel) ==>

Winchester 180 gr PowerPoint = 2062 fps

So for roughly 110 years of powder development and a .335" longer case, Winchester has squeezed out approximately 100 fps of higher performance, and that's not even counting the fact that some of the .351's energy is going to operate the 1907's action.

Yes- It's tweaks and marketing.
The 351 only has a max psi of 39,000psi. Most hunters are well beyond marketing and know where the real tweaking is. And thatís at the loading bench. Factory ammo is being loaded well below max psi. Itís obvious by the numbers.

Since using guns here as designed is verboten, you guys can leave the real tweaking to the hunters/shooters of the real world.
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The 351 only has a max psi of 39,000psi. Most hunters are well beyond marketing and know where the real tweaking is. And thatís at the loading bench. Factory ammo is being loaded well below max psi. Itís obvious by the numbers.

Since using guns here as designed is verboten, you guys can leave the real tweaking to the hunters/shooters of the real world.
You just keep repeating yourself, thinking this time the end result will turn out different.

The only thing "obvious by the numbers" is you're confused.
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The 351 only has a max psi of 39,000psi. Most hunters are well beyond marketing and know where the real tweaking is. And thatís at the loading bench. Factory ammo is being loaded well below max psi. Itís obvious by the numbers.

Since using guns here as designed is verboten, you guys can leave the real tweaking to the hunters/shooters of the real world.
OK.

What was the best thing since sliced bread this morning is now just another cartridge that only shows its "modern" potential when handloaded.

Paging .32 H&R Magnum, .257 Roberts, and Big 3 loaded 8mm Mauser- please pick-up the white courtesy phone...

Darn those pesky real factory velocity figures.

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