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Old 11-30-2018, 11:17 AM
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I liked OS9 and still have a working Blue and White G3

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3

Which in my opinion was by far the easiest to work on:


I resisted the wannabe Unix move (OSX) but now after using it for years when I boot up the G3 (OS9) it is clunky by comparison.
Of course! This was when Mac was reliable, could be counted on, and were better than the PC.

Those old G3's still had the Motorola CPU. At least mine did. OS9 was a decent O/S.

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Old 11-30-2018, 11:22 AM
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You recommend the lowest price windoze box to someone who isn’t comfortable swapping parts and programs which would be absolutely essential to get that “bargain” box to be usable.
Now to bolster your claim you point to a high end Mac @ $2500.
He could get a iMac for about $1000 or a MacBook Air for around $1200 and unlike the windoze “bargain” boxes they are useable as is.
Personally I wouldn’t recommend either of those to the OP, I’d suggest a iPad which could be had for a few hundred dollars and up.
I still have to use windows occasionally and all I can say is if it works for you great, I moved on long ago for personal use and the less I have to deal with it the better.

Again to the OP, don’t just take the biased and possibly outdated opinions of the Apple or Windows fanboys, we both have our reasons for our choices which may not be the same for you.
First check software availability, it is possible that your decision will be forced upon you by that, though I’d be surprised if that was the case.
And I stand by my post. A 9yr old, can fix a PC. Take an hour of a little research, and a YouTube video, and you're GTG. Software, reliability, and ease of maintenance is exactly why I like the PC. How easy are they? I rescued a Dell 3521 from the garbage can, completely not working. A $12 keyboard, a $60 SSD, and four more GB/RAM, and 45 minutes (This includes loading Win8.1Pro), it's up and running perfectly.

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iPad

I've owned all of them. They're all expensive junk.

What you're suggesting will break, and be very expensive to fix, or will just limp along painfully, for a long time, before he decides to throw it against a wall. Let's not hijack his thread. You said your piece, I've said mine.
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Windows 7 is reaching end of service soon. January 2020. Sounds like a long ways off, but it really just a little over a year.

Especially if you're not real computer savvy, Windows 10 will be just fine. I much prefer it to 8. 8 (even 8.1) was hot garbage. Windows 10 is a fair compromise between the goodness of 7 and the badness of 8

I was going to say you should go find yourself a nice $200 or $300 machine and be happy with it. Don't look at too much porn, don't spend too much time downloading pirated software, don't open too many attachments from foreign senders and you'll be okay.
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Windows 7 is reaching end of service soon. January 2020. Sounds like a long ways off, but it really just a little over a year.

Especially if you're not real computer savvy, Windows 10 will be just fine. I much prefer it to 8. 8 (even 8.1) was hot garbage. Windows 10 is a fair compromise between the goodness of 7 and the badness of 8

I was going to say you should go find yourself a nice $200 or $300 machine and be happy with it. Don't look at too much porn, don't spend too much time downloading pirated software, don't open too many attachments from foreign senders and you'll be okay.
I disagree on your view of Win8.1, but otherwise,
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Ok guys, the OP, me, is a girl. I don't watch porn, hate junk emails and download as little as possible. I am not techy any more, which does not make me a bad person. I am trying to get dh through the ffl procedure, learn enough so I will be proficient at paperwork, get some of the contradictory regs of the "Safe Act" in my brain, reacquaint myself with running a business, learn the fine points of a retail business, get some basics down on solar, learn the how to on security systems, look at places to relocate and a few other things. I just want to get a system that works, I can find a business program and install the nics when and if this goes through. This has been enlightening and I will probably go off and research some of the points discussed. Just not today. I am going to look at refurbs.
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Need to buy a new computer. It will be used mainly for business records and NICS checks. I have not had a working desktop at home for a long time . Used one at work all day but if I touched anything, even the screen saver, I would get my hands slapped. My tech skills are forgotten and outdated at this point. I look at desktops and to my uneducated eye, they all seem capable. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
I bought a used Dell Optiplex 755 off Ebay couple years ago, as an interim computer to use while I work on finishing a custom build. It came with XP Pro installed, the sort businesses use that needs no activation. Most on Ebay had Win7, but I held out for XP Pro. When I got it I hauled the big thing (built like a tank) to the local computer shop. Had them sanitize any malware (none found), switch out the CD-ROM for a DVD burner, install 8GB RAM and mobile-rack in the 5.25" bay. It has worked so good I find myself dragging my heels on finishing my custom build!


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fast-Dell-O...r=431983888498

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-OptiPl...wAAOSw4RNdD-~5

If you absolutely have to get a new PC, check NewEgg or B&H Photo or Tiger Direct. Sounds like just about anything will work for your needs, so go cheap. Oh, and avoid Win10 like the Second Coming of the Black Plague!
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Need to buy a new computer. It will be used mainly for business records and NICS checks. I have not had a working desktop at home for a long time . Used one at work all day but if I touched anything, even the screen saver, I would get my hands slapped. My tech skills are forgotten and outdated at this point. I look at desktops and to my uneducated eye, they all seem capable. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
I bought a used Dell Optiplex 755 off Ebay couple years ago, as an interim computer to use while I work on finishing a custom build. It came with XP Pro installed, the sort businesses use that needs no activation. Most on Ebay had Win7, but I held out for XP Pro. When I got it I hauled the big thing (built like a tank) to the local computer shop. Had them sanitize any malware (none found), switch out the CD-ROM for a DVD burner, install 8GB RAM and mobile-rack in the second 5.25" bay. It has worked so good I find myself dragging my heels on finishing my custom build!


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fast-Dell-O...r=431983888498

https://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-OptiPl...wAAOSw4RNdD-~5

If you absolutely have to get a new PC, check NewEgg or B&H Photo or Tiger Direct. Sounds like just about anything will work for your needs, so go cheap. Oh, and avoid Win10 like the Second Coming of the Black Plague!
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As a telecom and data service tech, I find Windows is just horrible. When I’m sent on a service call for internet problems, especially residential, the windows os is the culprit many times. I sure wish my elderly parents would dump it, complaints and calls for help quite often. Wife, kids and I went full Apple several years back, no problems so far.
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XP Pro ... install 8GB RAM
Did you have them upgrade to XP Pro 64bit at the same time?
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I just ordered a 2nd HP Elitebook Pro 8440p refurbished.

Love the first one. Hope the 2nd is just as good.

I did have to spend about 3 hours ripping all the spyware out though.
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8460p and 8470p were even better. I still have few of them around somewhere... Out of that era my favorite even still is the 8560w with Dreamcolor display, I also got huge 17" 8760w that I used as a desktop replacement until I built this desktop I now use.

I've later switched to even newer model, I now have HP 840 G2. It is the last model that uses same large power supply plugs as the older HP laptops, has fullhd ips display, dual ssd drives (2.5" and m.2), wifi and 4g, dual batteries. It is lighter and sleeker in general unless the extra battery is attached to the bottom. Hardware wise it is same generation as Lenovo T450s, very capable machine.

My next laptop will be something in the same 14" size range but will have thunderbolt3/usb-c capability to charge and dock with one cable and use eGPU. What brand or model it will be, that I have not yet decided. These new laptops are slim, light and have huge battery life compared to the old ones. Also they can be charged by certain phone chargers and battery packs. Many reasons to upgrade once more at some point.
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Those old G3's still had the Motorola CPU. At least mine did. OS9 was a decent O/S.
I loved my old Beige G3 Tower with OS9.2.2 so much that it's still sitting in the back of my office attached to that big 'ol CRT monitor. It gets powered up every so often for some low impact Photoshop work. PS7 is still my favorite for pure photo editing. But you can't go by me. I still write my shopping lists on a MacSE.

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I just want to get a system that works, I can find a business program and install the nics when and if this goes through. This has been enlightening and I will probably go off and research some of the points discussed. Just not today. I am going to look at refurbs.
I am (obviously) a Macintosh fan, but I don't think that's your best bet for your application. Macs are great for playing and writing and artsy stuff like video and photo editing... but getting a Mac for basic Office suite work is like buying a BMW to be an Uber driver... an unnecessary expense.


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Forget windows 10. Use Windows 7, or Windows 8.1Pro, with Classic Shell (Classic Shell is a free download, and makes Win8.1, work like Win7).
People! You gotta make your peace with Windows 10. Support for Windows 7 is ending soon. That may be fine for gear heads who like to tinker, but it's not the way to go for someone who just wants her computer to work every day.

Heck, I like old software as much as the next guy (I occasionally use a 28 year-old OS!) but you need a current, supported operating system for a daily driver.


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Putting together a usable desktop, is like getting a mish-mash of original, and 3rd party parts, and slapping together an old, beat up model "T", and making it roadworthy. You can do it freely on a tight budget, and pretty quickly.
You need to be a good mechanic to keep a Model T on the road.

A bolted together computer might be cheaper up front, and if you're not being charged by the hour for IT services, it might be the frugal choice... but for somebody who wants to run a business, you will be better off buying a new or refurbished complete computer that comes with at least some warranty. You don't need a BMW to be an Uber driver, but you don't want Johnny Cash's Cadillac, either.

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