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View Poll Results: Are pics and video of moon landing doctored?
Yes, pics & videos are doctored. 11 15.94%
No, pics and videos are not doctored in any way. 47 68.12%
Not sure. 5 7.25%
Yes, the pics and videos were doctored but not for nefarious reasons, just for the sake of clarity. 6 8.70%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

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Even in the generic form, photoshoping did not exist to perform the amout of magic you claim.
Before Photoshop was invented “photoshopping” was done with an X-Acto knife and a glue stick. That’s why the menu selections are “cut” and “paste.” It was hard and time-consuming and could not have produced results that would stand up to modern scrutiny.
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Before Photoshop was invented “photoshopping” was done with an X-Acto knife and a glue stick. That’s why the menu selections are “cut” and “paste.” It was hard and time-consuming and could not have produced results that would stand up to modern scrutiny.
LOL.

All I can picture now is a few dozen anti moon landers waving exacto knives at the sky trying to "Photoshop" the TV Signals.
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I had a good laugh watching this video...

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All I can picture now is a few dozen anti moon landers waving exacto knives at the sky trying to "Photoshop" the TV Signals.
Luckily the original Apollo TV camera on the first landing only produced 10 frames per second, so they had time.

They had to pick up the pace with Apollo 12. That mission had a regular 30fps NTSC camera.

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It would be like doing photo editing on a fitbit, which had 6 times the memory and 32 times the speed of an Apollo flight computer. 10 frame per second would be impossible.

30 fps would be three times impossible . . . even with flying exacto knives for all that cutting and pasting.
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FYI. The Dialy Wire has a very good series of videos about the moon landing. There are three thus far. More may be coming.



Links to all three:

Also, I found this video that says we did not place just one reflector on the moon. A total of three were placed on Apollo 11, 14, and 15.



High schools are using the reflectors to bounce lasers off the moon to show how the distance can be calculated.
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It would be like doing photo editing on a fitbit, which had 6 times the memory and 32 times the speed of an Apollo flight computer. 10 frame per second would be impossible.

30 fps would be three times impossible . . . even with flying exacto knives for all that cutting and pasting.
Both the special 10fps TV system designed for Apollo 11 and the 30fps NTSC TV system are analog technology, so computer power wasn't an issue. However, bandwidth in the radio signal coming back from the Moon was an issue. In Apollo 11, the TV signal had to find room in the telemetry band. By Apollo 12, the TV signal got it's own transmitter.
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Before Photoshop was invented “photoshopping” was done with an X-Acto knife and a glue stick. That’s why the menu selections are “cut” and “paste.” It was hard and time-consuming and could not have produced results that would stand up to modern scrutiny.
So you're saying there was technology to fly to the moon, man walk on the moon, and return to Earth from the moon. But they could only use cut/paste to doctor video.
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So you're saying there was technology to fly to the moon, man walk on the moon, and return to Earth from the moon. But they could only use cut/paste to doctor video.
That is what the technology had at the time.
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So you're saying there was technology to fly to the moon, man walk on the moon, and return to Earth from the moon. But they could only use cut/paste to doctor video.
Pretty much.
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So you're saying there was technology to fly to the moon, man walk on the moon, and return to Earth from the moon. But they could only use cut/paste to doctor video.
Disney animators could create animations, but then they look like Disney animations.

Read up on the state of computer technology in 1969

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo...omputer#Memory

Processor: Discrete IC based RTL (Resistor-Transistor-Logic) No microprocessors.
Memory: 2048 words (16 bit words) of RAM. 36,864 words ROM, rope memory, (thousands of tiny magnetic ferrite donuts with tiny wires going through them.)



They made it by hand.



I have two 8k stacks of core memory that I salvaged from a computer of that era. The computer itself was the size of two microwave ovens. 32k memory, program with paper tape reader or front panel switches, TTL logic. Mass storage was a drum drive.
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Apollo ground station Univac 642B computer system left to right; Command Computer, Expanded Memory Unit (EMU), Telemetry Computer and Tape Handler for TLM computer. Each computer and the EMU had 64K of memory.
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The Parkes (New South Wales, Australia) 64 meter antenna pointed at the moon.
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I heard NASA is working on re-inventing the slide ruler and abacus so that they can regenerate the technology required to go the moon.
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By far the best rebuttal I've seen. Don't get me wrong, I believe almost absolutely that NASA touched-up/enhanced (not to be confused with "faked") some of their photographs in order to provide the clearest picture possible. I think the evidence for this is pretty straight-forward (crosshair etchings on the lenses are overlapped by the image in some instances), but this does not equate to faking the mission itself.

His point about how later generations view photoshop/technology is spot-on as well. People my age and younger hardly have a concept of a time when things couldn't be faked or photoshopped as convincingly as they are these days.
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Here's a link to a pretty good description of one of the three prime Apollo ground stations;
https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/station/technical.html
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I think we come at this discussion the wrong way, debating the photos and videos.

I think the most compelling evidence that the moon landings DID happen are the actually something else.

1. Radio/Scientific evidence. News networks, international space agencies (including Russia, who had every reason to call BS), amateur radio operators. Based on the direction and strength of the radio signal, they could tell where it was coming from. Also the retroreflectors left on the surface.

2. The mission control recordings. Go listen to those. NASA either employed engineers who were also the best method actors to ever live, or that's real stuff happening.
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