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Old 08-07-2018, 08:40 AM
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There are many paths into the future. I used to think it was inevitable, but now I'm not so sure. I don't think the Left will act when they do not hold the reins of government. I think they did some self-observation over the last couple years, even during their anger, and realized that they had no chance for success against both the full might of the US military and LEO plus right-wing militias that would rise in such a civil war.

So I think they've mostly decided to bide their time. If they want to start a civil war they'll wait until the next time they hold the reins of power. The need control of the apparatus of government to have any chance at all. Now they overestimate how much of the military would serve them in such a case, but that's a different story.
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It's already started. The only question now is, how hard will it be fought? We have the same type of rhetoric and vitriol in politics and commentary today that was going on during the two or three years prior to SC leaving the Union (that happened because Lincoln was elected President). When the Federal Government threatened to force them to come back, the other states started dropping out and people had to choose sides - not pretty.

At the beginning, everyone thought it would be short and "glorious" - it wasn't.

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Gotta be careful with assuming that political rhetoric means a war has begun. Political commentary has come and gone over the years (even in my lifetime) and did not lead to a shooting civil war.

Democrats haven't started shooting yet because they still think they can win through political means. They believe in the Blue Wave, after which they will "inz peaches foty-fie". But if in fact there is a Red Wave instead, where Conservatives dominate the SCOTUS, Congress, and the White House, along with most State Houses? They may arrive at the conclusion that the ONLY route to success is through other-than-lawful means.

Historically that's what triggered the start of the Civil War from the 19th century. Democrats thought that they could no longer reach their political goals through legal political means. Now I'm not making a judgement about right or wrong here. I'm just saying, when people think they have no legal choice, they sometimes choose other methods to advance their cause. Right now, Democrats still think they can win. Once they lose, that all may change.
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The Far Left & Left think Leo’s & the Military NG will side with them ( the moment the shooting starts even the Portland mayor and police commissioner will turn on them
Are you kidding? The Portland OR bureaucrats are 100% Marxist, and them hearing a few far away gunshots aren't going to change that.
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Are you kidding? The Portland OR bureaucrats are 100% Marxist, and a few gunshots aren't going to change that.
A few rounds from a Abrams .
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Agreed 10000000%. Didnt see your reply till mine posted. Great minds think alike
reading yours and the other posters post one right after another was quite bizarre at how similar your minds created and worded your statements...almost creepy level. You all might be related and not know it, lol.
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Mid terms are right around the corner, red wave blue wave or no wave at all, guess we'll have to wait and see. The lead up to a civil war might appear as a steady increase in random acts of violence. Kind of like a pot of water simmering on the back burner, turn up the heat and it boils over.


Question is who wants to turn up the heat? The government? They're into self preservation, Business? they're into making a profit, The Media? They do love a good story. Fake news anyone?...
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Are you kidding? The Portland OR bureaucrats are 100% Marxist, and a few gunshots aren't going to change that.
Salem Oregon bureaucrats sir, Salem...although they do like to think of Portlandia as the capitol, fortunately it’s not.

Interesting that poling shows the current incumbent crazy Kate Brown neck and neck with a republican (small r intended). Mind you a left leaning republican, but a republican none the lesss.

The simple fact that she isn’t going to have a clean sweep, and is actually struggling, shows how ****ed off the left is with the crazy antics inside there own party.
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It all depends on how far the regular guy is willing to let it go. Right now we have far left and far right going at it. Much like the Years of Lead in Italy first there will be shootings, then bombings, then assassinations. A continued escalation. How far are we, the regular guy, willing to let it go. If we dont stop it another Republic will fall to facism.

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It is increasingly harder to remain optimistic about the future while observing the trajectory of contemporary political and cultural discourse.

Not only are the divisions growing, but we've left behind the Enlightenment ideal of rational deliberation between opposing sides about matters of importance.

The left-leaning postmodernists want to force the worse propaganda imaginable upon the youngest of school kids, will force legal sanctions upon the mildest sign of disagreement with whatever is political correct at the moment

And while I'm mostly critical of the left, I'm not optimistic that the right will win the cultural battle by keeping to the high ground,

God only knows how things will turn out once violence becomes more common and normalized.

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Pretty much how I see it here in the north. (Canada) The most deciding factor I can think of is if the western and far east coast cuts off the money that gets sent to the high population mid eastern area, then they will have a lot of the wind out of there sail so to speak in there quest to prevail with there agenda regardless of the cost or consequences.
Once the money stops, so will they.
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Interesting thoughts - thanks.
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Is it bad I'm almost excited for one to happen? I mean... if it's the antigun left vs the progun right, itll be like shooting ducks in a barrel

For self defense purposes only. But, life is just too bland. Needs more spice
Old saying: "be careful what you wish for, you may get it."

History shows that once a full scale civil war gets started the outcome is unpredictable.

Also, consider what it actually takes to win a war. You can win most battles and still lose the war. Winning the battles on the street against AntiFa, the snowflakes and such like may be easy. But to actually win the war the leadership must be defeated and they will not be out on the streets with a gun. They will be setting in offices behind their desks continuing to work toward their goals of overthrowing the government and constitution. Think about teachers, professors, politicians, lawyers, judges, media, and a whole list of billionaires. Leave them in place and in another few decades there will new generations of AntiFa and snowflakes and we will be in the same situation with the left trying to take over. They will never give up.

Are you willing to walk into those offices and remove those problems?

I am not a proponent but I think a civil war is coming. Timing and which cause of many are unknown.
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I think “ civil war” is inevitable. Exactly what that looks like and who are the sides I’m not sure. It won’t just be black/white but a conglomerate of groups on each side and even if they don’t have the same beliefs their shared hatred of the other side will bind them together.
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Yes.

But its not just left vs right.

The next war is going to be complex, multisided thing.

Rich vs poor, white vs black, city vs country, dry vs wet. Everyone has an axe to grind and is just waiting for the chance to use it.
You are correct.

Many assume it will be like the Civil War of 1861-65. No it will not be. That was a relatively organized conflict, with two clearly organized and recognized separate states fighting it out.

A civil war in the U.S. between ideological groups will be FAR messier. It will be like Yugoslavia in the 1990s. Or Lebanon in the 1980s. A bewildering and confused array of conflicting groups, shifting alliances, reprisals, broken cease fires. A real mess.

The Civil War had clearly recognized battles and armies. This one will be a free-for-all of guerrilla groups, reprisals, kidnappings, assassinations, societal breakdown, terrorism. Dozens of factions, of all political stripes.

I read somewhere, that in the current civil war in Syria, there are nearly 150 recognized factions fighting it out.

And I agree with with the OP. Like the OP, I am in my 60's, and I've never seen such divisions in this country. I also agree that the elections of 2018 could be the tipping point.

The 2016 election has radicalized the Left. Drastically. Forget caution, compromise, and "dialogue". They are out for BLOOD! And the Right and ordinary, patriotic Americans are the target.

To the Leftists in this country, only the elimination of their political opponents will suffice.




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Lol
@ anyone who thinks there is a “ Far Right” in mainstream American political landscape anymore ...
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Violence would really have to escalate on the scale of 911 or the OK City bombing to turn the tide the wrong way. I just think the left does not have it in themselves to propagate an event on anything close to that scale. So they snipe on social media, the news is another convenient low-impact outlet. We have weak ANTIFA attacks, but rarely and they don't bring much teeth to the fight.

The schools drill or try to drill their agenda into the kids. The best thing any person getting out of HS could do is not to go to college, do the trade school thing. This cuts the socialistic rhetoric off at the knees.

The 2016 election has created a split in my family, not immediate family but nieces, nephews, brothers and sisters and so on. It has impacted people I used to socialize with.

So it may go smoldering for years before something significant happens. I really hope it doesn't foment into something tragic.
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I used to be seriously concerned about just this topic, then the other day read that ANTIFA “attacked” a marine recruiting office. When it was closed...
That, and 20 retread, retard "protesters" protested an empty NRA building. It was a Saturday.
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Any attempt at Civil Discourse certainly seems to be a thing of the past these days... there ain't much left but that.
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The current division is ugly but likely livable. I could see the far leftists totally losing their **** if the right prevails in three months. Violence begets violence at times - like a raging forest fire.

Martial law could likely ensue, none of us wants to see that. We probably have enough soldiers and cops to sustain order outside of the big, liberal strongholds.

The stunts of the far left are so morally bankrupt and devoid of responsibility. Simply mind boggling.
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Likely, it will not be a civil war but riots and looting. Thus, neighbor will fight against neighbor as those 7-10 days' worth of food, medicine, fuel, ammo, etc., dwindle in various towns and cities.
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