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Frame mounted firing pin enables closer tolerance between striker point and frame bushing, controlling maximum driven firing pin protrusion to reduce risk of primer cup punctures or hard cylinder rotation with heavy loads. The U.S. Treasury 110-grain +P+ Q4070, now identified in Olin Law Enforcement catalogs as the Ranger RA38110HP was the initiator, when the problem was identified by US Customs and Border Patrol.

The hammer-block safety in the revolver works exactly the same way as in previous S&Ws. There were never any NDs associated with drop testing the S&W revolvers, either with the hammer cocked, or with the hammer down. These drop tests were done from a height of 6 ft. onto concrete with the gun released in various attitudes. Mark Humphreville was detailed to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center at Glynco, GA from the US Army Ballistic Research Laboratory at Aberdeen Proving Ground to serve as the government's Quality Assurance Representative for the project.

Just curious how you are such an expert on S&Ws, in what year did you attend the S&W police armorer's school and who were your instructors? I attended in 1974 and my instructors were Chet Grondalski and Archie Dubia. I attended Ruger in 1984 and my instructors were Mike Moore and Chris Peters.
Small world. Mike Moore taught my first Ruger school as well. Super nice guy. I think he left shortly after that and my next one was with Rob Deardon, not as fun as Mike, but a good instructor. My first S&W class was in 1977, it was a field school, and I'd have to dig out that cert to remember who taught it. Canfield?

Thanks for helping to clear up ridiculous and silly misinformation. Gun forums seem to attract the "experts"....


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Thanks for helping to clear up ridiculous and silly misinformation. Gun forums seem to attract the "experts"....


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Couldn't leave well enough alone?
Just so that we aren't just picking S&W, the good folks of the U.S. ARMY did all the testing on the M-16. First thing you know in come the field reports. Issue cleaning kits, chrome plate the chamber, add forward assist. (wonder why?) But it passed all the Army Testing and never jammed! It wasn't possible!

Malfunctions happen, tolerances change with every run of the tooling, and there wouldn't be much work for gunsmiths if wear and tear didn't occur with every round sent downrange.

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Couldn't leave well enough alone?
Just so that we aren't just picking S&W, the good folks of the U.S. ARMY did all the testing on the M-16. First thing you know in come the field reports. Issue cleaning kits, chrome plate the chamber, add forward assist. (wonder why?) But it passed all the Army Testing and never jammed! It wasn't possible!

Malfunctions happen, tolerances change with every run of the tooling, and there wouldn't be much work for gunsmiths if wear and tear didn't occur with every round sent downrange.
First of all, you should read your own posts before you throw shade..... But you were the one that talked about carrying on an empty chamber with a modern S&W, as if that was common or prudent, and then proceeded to try and justify your doofus practice by misstating the purpose of the L frame recall.

Modern S&W revolvers with hammer mounted firing pins do not fire when dropped. Police agencies never carried them as you suggest. Police agencies continued to safely use and carry hammer mounted firing pin guns long after the change to frame mounted, and there's still many in service.

You were out of your lane. Go back to regaling us about your vast special operations background, and belittling those who aren't as awesome as you are. Someone else will have to correct you if you're FOS on that too, that's out of my lane, though I'm fortunate to have worked with and call a number of frogmen my friends.

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Since the .357 Mag L-Frame on the right has the exposed firing pin, (and had to be returned to S&W for repair after an accidental discharge) and the New .44 Mag L-Frame doesn't have an exposed firing pin, S&W designed exposed firing pins out of the L-Frame.

It's America, nobody has to do anything. But Malfunctions do happen, so it's prudent (Not Required) not to have a round under an exposed firing pin. JMHO.
Man, have I pushed your button.

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Iver Johnsons break top frame mounted firing pin 38 S. & W. Center Fire.
Another (Hair-Loom LOL) formerly carried by a Pinkerton Detective.

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Define "OLD"

Iver Johnsons break top frame mounted firing pin 38 S. & W. Center Fire.
Another (Hair-Loom LOL) formerly carried by a Pinkerton Detective.

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No button.. I like others here, just hate to see gross misinformation posted, since some people come here to find answers to their questions.

Because you know so little about the subject matter, you google for things to support your invented stories, and end up just looking more silly...

Your L frame, (if you really have one), wasn't recalled for accidental discharges, and unless something really weird or odd occurred, as in created problem, it didn't fire after a drop.

I own about a hundred S&W revolvers made after 1903. (I have older too, but that's not what we're talking about). You could take a ball peen hammer and give each one a rap on the hammer over a loaded chamber. I will bet none of them will fire. Bring a certified check for a hundred grand and lets find out.

Stop posting BS, just trying to pretend you know what you're talking about. You don't.

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It's already been determined that we have a difference in reading comprehension, but it's hard for me to believe that you can't even comprehend pictures. Well, guess I'd be a kurmudgeon if I couldn't figure out the pictures in the Newspaper Comics (funny papers) either. Wow, 100 revolvers worth of gunporn: bet thier are a bunch of us that would like to see those pictures.

Sort of new at this high stakes gambling? Have to fill out the RICO paperwork for cash, have to share with the IRS if Certified Check, nope Y'all are going to have to meander down to the bank & pull 15 Troy Ounces of gold out of the safety deposit box if you actually want to play. I'll wait until you post the pictures of the 100 revolvers. Before we start PMing. You hold the revolver, I'll bring a framing hammer to whack it with. LOL.
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Just curious how you are such an expert on S&Ws, in what year did you attend the S&W police armorer's school and who were your instructors? I attended in 1974 and my instructors were Chet Grondalski and Archie Dubia. I attended Ruger in 1984 and my instructors were Mike Moore and Chris Peters.
I still have my “universal adjustment tool”. 🙂
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Couldn't leave well enough alone?
Just so that we aren't just picking S&W, the good folks of the U.S. ARMY did all the testing on the M-16. First thing you know in come the field reports. Issue cleaning kits, chrome plate the chamber, add forward assist. (wonder why?) But it passed all the Army Testing and never jammed! It wasn't possible!

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My research and reading reports the forward assist was part of the Army requirements “before” they went into the field. The Army demanded it prior to adoption because they thought it “might” be needed. The Air Force did the original testing and never adopted the forward assist until the M4 started replacing the GAU5 and variants. Simple expediency with the purchase and issue of replacement weapons. My issue Army rifle (early/mid 70s)was a M16A1 but the rifles with my name on them in the several arms rooms of my Air Force service (mid/late 80s) were the M16 and a GAU5.

The general consensus infers the Army’s adoption of a different powder for the M16A1 service ammunition caused the vast majority of weapons issue that required chrome plated barrels, chambers, proper cleaning kits and cost Army and Marine lives.
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I have an old Ruger .44 mag single and I drop the hammer between rounds. the cylinder cannot rotate with shells in place and the firing pin BETWEEN them.
AS for using it as a defensive tool not my first choice ,
First choice is the Ruger .357 mag.DA security 6
If the .44 mag. were DA I might consider it.
Replacing spent shells is a big deal to me.
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Mine is autographed. 8-)
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You hold the revolver, I'll bring a framing hammer to whack it with. LOL.
You may succeed in breaking the hammer off... they still won't fire.
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You may succeed in breaking the hammer off... they still won't fire.
Aren't revolvers that fail to fire "HAMMERS". LOL.
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Aren't revolvers that fail to fire "HAMMERS". LOL.
They'll fire just fine with the hammer spur broken off...if you pull the trigger.....
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