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This would definitely fit on the manmade side of this disaster forum.
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-...nap-story.html

Venezuela is in trouble, and I fear Brazil is not far behind. Perhaps for different reasons. But Brazil looks like it is heading down an ugly path too. Both sides of our political fence seem to agree it isn't going well down there.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...actory-owners/

Yes, it's man made. But when you can't find any food to eat, does it really matter?

One thing I find strikingly similar to here, is that the government of Venezuela is blaming everything and everyone, but themselves. As Mogli likes to point out. When you only look at your problems as being caused externally. Instead of looking inward for causes. It is very hard to effect change.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/15/americ...e-into-crisis/

Here Venezuela's President blames the business owners. They are closing down because they can't buy raw materials with the worthless Bolivar Currency. He has threatened them with jail time for closing. So I guess they have to pick, financial ruin, or jail time. More than likely for many it will be both. As the government moves in and seizes their factories, and other assets.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/venezue...isis-1.3583120


The president is enacting military control. To maintain order and "Protect" Venezuela. This has a very familiar ring to it doesn't it? Think Homeland Security.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-1...ezuela/7415504

I would imagine we might have a hand in this as well. Just like we did in trying to depose Chavez. But perhaps not this time.

I don't really care about the political reasoning behind it. But see it as an opportunity for us to learn from others and expand our knowledge base for the future.

Much like what is going on here. This did not happen overnight. People down there did not just wake up one morning and find no food in the local grocery stores. It has been unraveling for some time. The problem is, once something like this starts to unravel. It is very hard to stop the snowball rolling down that slippery slope.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/18/news...nomy-meltdown/

I personally find it much easier to think rationally and plan for the future on a full belly. Rather than waiting until folks are fighting over the local dogs and cats for their dinner.
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If it was just Venezuela. I might not be too concerned. But I always try to look for trends. For better or worse. Trends tell a more levelheaded story than one or two isolated incidents.

The trends I am seeing offer me no comfort.

As I mentiond above. Brazil looks to be headed down a similar path.

Puerto Rico is in some serious trouble right now too.

Across the atlantic, Greece, the ever popular Scapegoat for everything that is wrong with the European Union. Is back once again back on the radar. And from what I am seeing it doesn't look any better than it did last year. The Greek people wanted out of the EU last year. They voted and it showed. But their politicians just like ours sold them tomthe highest bidder.

Spain, Italy and Portugal look to be on unstable financial ground too.

The house of Saud just took a credit rating hit. Something almost unthinkable just a few months ago.

China, and Russia, who knows. They don't tell the truth any more than we do.

Not to mention our own 18-20 trillion dollar debt problem.
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I find the global financial world begins to look like the tectonic plates. All independently moving in their own directions. Some moving on their own. Some being forced to move because a larger plate is pushing against them.

With the bigger one pushing against them. The smaller ones have to move or be crushed. Some have all these plates moving independently, yet as you circle the globe, you realize that they are all connected. Move one and they all are all affected. It might be pressure or it might be a vacuum.

But just like the physics law, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
It stands to reason, that everytime someone makes money, someone else loses money.

If the rich are getting richer, the poor must be getting poorer. Or the middle is giving up a lot to feed both ends.
In my mind the middle is like a candle burning on both ends. We all know how that plays out.

If you apply that physics law to the new global trade pacts. If the standard of living rises in those other countires, logically ours should, and most likely will, go down.
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The true cause is government control of business (socialism), excessive welfare spending, and a debt based currency.

Venezuela is Obama's son.
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The ironic thing is that now we will get a million refugees from Venezuela, which will come here , sign up as Democraps and vote for the same type of leadership that destroyed their own country and forced them to leave .
It's like the up north liberal Yankees coming to Florida in droves, to avoid paying the high taxes in NY , and then voting liberal here. Libertards and all the other varieties of communists really are a bunch of morons. One can only hope that with planned parenthood and gay pride and transgender issues, they will remove themselves from the gene pool eventually
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.........................Puerto Rico is in some serious trouble right now too...........Not to mention our own 18-20 trillion dollar dept problem.
Puerto Rico is OUR problem; it is one of our territories; and they are American citizens.
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The ironic thing is that now we will get a million refugees from Venezuela, which will come here , sign up as Democraps and vote for the same type of leadership that destroyed their own country and forced them to leave .
It's like the up north liberal Yankees coming to Florida in droves, to avoid paying the high taxes in NY , and then voting liberal here. Libertards and all the other varieties of communists really are a bunch of morons. One can only hope that with planned parenthood and gay pride and transgender issues, they will remove themselves from the gene pool eventually

Sonya,

I see and agree with what you are saying.

But I am going to play devil's advocate here for just a moment.

To illustrate my point about blaming external forces instead of looking inwardly to fix the problem

It is easy to blame those "Up North Liberal Yankees" for moving to your state and destroying your way of life.

But if all you conservative southern Floridians didn't sell them your land. They would have had no place to move to!

It happened just the same way here in Upstate New York. We blamed all of our woes on the downstaters. Be we were the root problem. We sold them our farm land. We brought the problem on ourselves.


It brings me right back to the tectonic plate theory of finances. A big chunk of money headed toward your state of Florida. People who lived down there took their profit.

On the surface it looked like easy money. So you folks took it. But, it came with strings attached. Those northern urbanites brought their way of living with them. So for a while the money flowed in both directions. But now that this plate has pushed hard over your original Florida plate. The money is flowing in the oppisite direction.

Your taxes are higher, you have a permit system, real estate is higher, your cost of living is higher, locals can't afford to build, buy, or even own a house where they grew up.

All because some native Floridians took the easy money. The saying "there is no such thing as a free lunch comes to mind.

Unless and until, we begin to look inwardly at ourselves as part of the problem. We will never rise above it. It will never be fixed. And make no mistake, those in charge count on us never figuring this out. That is why the blame game is pushed on all of us, from all sides, all of the time.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/wo...tals.html?_r=1

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BARCELONA, Venezuela — By morning, three newborns were already dead.

The day had begun with the usual hazards: chronic shortages of antibiotics, intravenous solutions, even food. Then a blackout swept over the city, shutting down the respirators in the maternity ward.

Doctors kept ailing infants alive by pumping air into their lungs by hand for hours. By nightfall, four more newborns had died.

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At the University of the Andes Hospital in the mountain city of Mérida, there was not enough water to wash blood from the operating table.


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The figures are devastating. The rate of death among babies under a month old increased more than a hundredfold in public hospitals run by the Health Ministry


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The rate of death among new mothers in those hospitals increased by almost five times in the same period


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It is a battlefield clinic in a country where there is no war.

“Some come here healthy, and they leave dead,” Dr. Leandro Pérez said, standing in the emergency room of Luis Razetti Hospital

People need to take a long, hard look at this. This is something that could have been avoided in the 21st century. There's no reason for it - that a country with the largest proven oil reserves in the entire world would have people unable to buy food, and hospitals unable to even get enough water to wash the blood off the tables.

It didn't have to be this way. The naivete of foolish and proud men made this.
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Venezuela was once almost a first world country. But then the population was fooled by a Pied Piper named Chavez. Oh, so popular in the beginning.......................(a lesson for us today, like it or not).
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Watching this at the moment. Seems to be giving a very good first person insight into what's going on. It's actually someone who went to Caracas to stay with and interview an Anarcho-capitalist (so you don't have to remotely worry about getting fed the official government story).

https://youtu.be/AKic0mlQo0U
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Much like a lot of these kind of counties. A lot of FAT women holding multitudes of babies that they cannot support. Most with another one in the oven.
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Much like a lot of these kind of counties. A lot of FAT women holding multitudes of babies that they cannot support. Most with another one in the oven.

You mean just like in the US?
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Much like a lot of these kind of counties. A lot of FAT women holding multitudes of babies that they cannot support. Most with another one in the oven.
Knocked up by men too stupid or lazy to do their job and support them.
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You mean just like in the US?
Yes. Read his first sentence
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People need to take a long, hard look at this. This is something that could have been avoided in the 21st century. There's no reason for it - that a country with the largest proven oil reserves in the entire world would have people unable to buy food, and hospitals unable to even get enough water to wash the blood off the tables.

It didn't have to be this way. The naivete of foolish and proud men made this.
Actually stuff like this has already happened in the USA
During hurricane Katrina and Rita. The hospital lost power those patients that couldn't be moved were left behind. Some volunteer staff stayed behind with some token police security. They were not much help because during the evacuation supplies were taken with them or they ran out. Food was scarce the generator flooded and was knocked out of Actonfrom the stories iI followed. The police more less were scared out of for minds because if the storms severity and at a loss how they could be of help.

The people of Venezuela could take note of what happened to this country during that time and try to save themselves.
They are also in a severe drought which has stopped the hydrodam from producing power. (Whats the current status of Hoover dam anyone? Also remember the long hot summer a few years ago when the water levels go low the n-power plants had to shut down too due to lack of water ).
Good luck people of Venezuela you need to reinvent your country.
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Under hyperinflation you need a backpack full of money to buy a loaf of bread. THAT is the problem, not deadbeats who will not work. Peoples paychecks are now worth pennies.
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But if all you conservative southern Floridians didn't sell them your land. They would have had no place to move to!
The only decision that a person makes is to sell the land. The seller does not have the legal right to pick and choose who the next owner will be. ISIS can buy your land if they have the most money, and if you say "NO" then you get taken to court for being a racist or whatever.
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Actually a person who is about to sell land has a lot of decisions they can, and often do make.

When to sell the land,
Why to sell it,
How to sell it,
Whether or not to sell it at all,

You most certainly can sell your land to anybody you want or don't want. You just have to do it through a private sale, not through an open real estate listing.


If I want to sell my land to a friend or relative, and no one else. I have that right. It is my choice to make. No one can step in the middle of that and scream anything.

But the thread, or my response to Sonya was not about this. It was about people making bad decisions, then blaming others for their outcome.

It is about Americans, not taking responsibility for our own country. Until we all start to take ownership of the problem. We will never fix it. Like the Rebublicans thinking where we are is all the Democrat's fault. Or the Democrats thinking it is all the Republican's fault. It is everybody's fault. Because we have sat idly by and let it happen.

I am not tyring to place blame on anyone here.
I am trying to get folks to look at things and think about them differently. I am trying to get people to take ownership. Because if you own it, you can work on fixing it.

But if you think it is out of your control, you automatically believe you can't have an impact on it. So you just don't bother to do anything.

This is just as true in everyday life as it is here.

Folks who sit around all day and blame everyone else for where they are in their life, will never change their position. Because they think it is out of their control and beyond their ability to change any of it.

Once you accept that the problem, or at least part of the problem, is yours. Only then can you begin to change. I know this because I lived it. I was so sure, where I was in life was no fault of my own. Until that day when I finally sat down and looked at the big picture.

It took a few days. But I realized many of my problems were of my own doing. Part of the problem is, this can be very painfull to admit to yourself, let alone anyone else. But once you get past the initial pain and guilt. It opens doors and empowers change.

If we the people of the United States of America, don't start looking at this problem differently. Taking ownership for our individual part in it. Soon enough we will look just like Venezuela.

In truth, that was my reason for starting this thread. In the hope that we will see the rocks that Venezuela is crashing on and change course to steer around at least some of them.

If one third of the folks in this county did one thing this week to create a positive change. We would be living in a different country next week. Maybe not a perfect one. But one headed on a better path.

We all see the rocks, we know that they are there. The problem is just like Venezuela, once you hit the rocks, it is next to impossible to change course from then on.
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Actually stuff like this has already happened in the USA
During hurricane Katrina and Rita. The hospital lost power those patients that couldn't be moved were left behind. Some volunteer staff stayed behind with some token police security. They were not much help because during the evacuation supplies were taken with them or they ran out. Food was scarce the generator flooded and was knocked out of Actonfrom the stories iI followed. The police more less were scared out of for minds because if the storms severity and at a loss how they could be of help.

The people of Venezuela could take note of what happened to this country during that time and try to save themselves.
They are also in a severe drought which has stopped the hydrodam from producing power. (Whats the current status of Hoover dam anyone? Also remember the long hot summer a few years ago when the water levels go low the n-power plants had to shut down too due to lack of water ).
Good luck people of Venezuela you need to reinvent your country.
Unfortunately for Venezuelans, this is a manmade disaster, and the people who made the disaster aren't trying to reverse course - they're doubling down.
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Unfortunately for Venezuelans, this is a manmade disaster, and the people who made the disaster aren't trying to reverse course - they're doubling down.
6 weeks.

I predict that within 6 weeks- probably less- their president will flee the country. Because the country is almost out of food, and they cannot buy any from other countries with their own currency, as nobody will TAKE their currency.

And, I do not think the people in power will use their hoarded dollars and yen for the benefit of the people.
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