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Old 08-03-2017, 03:15 PM
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Default Revised FCC Form 605 Will Ask Applicants “the Felony Question”



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From: http://www.arrl.org/news/view/revise...elony-question

07/19/2017

A revised FCC Form 605 — Quick-Form Application for Authorization in the Ship, Aircraft, Amateur, Restricted and Commercial Operator, and General Mobile Radio Services — going into effect in September will ask all applicants to indicate if they have been convicted of or plead guilty to a felony...

“Applicants answering YES must provide an explanation regarding the conviction. This item enables the FCC to determine whether an applicant is eligible under sections 310(d) and 308(b) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, to hold or have ownership interest in a station license.”

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What are they afraid a felon will do over the radio?
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^^^^I have no idea.....going back to some obscure law from '34, character i assume...

My question is how do they know if someone says no?

Do they do background criminal checks on applicants?
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Same year they enacted the National Firearms Act. Control of the airwaves is a direct foot on the neck of free speech if the powers that be can jury-rig a way to mute ownership of means of communication.
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Soon having a bible and copy of the constitution will make one a felon if the establishment wins and overturns our electoral process and our republic as well.
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While including the question on the 605 is new the ability of the FCC to set aside a license for a felony conviction is not new. They have always been able to do this and have actually done it for many years. Since the early 1990’s several hams have had licenses denied or suspended for past felony convictions, each has been assessed on an individual basis. Being a felon does not automatically mean you cannot have a license, but it does mean they want you to explain what happened and they want to assess whether your demonstrated past actions might be repeated using radio.

Also, a REALLY important take away here, the 605 form is used for several different radio services, not just ham radio. With some of those other services it kind of does matter if you have had a felony conviction. Part 80 Ship Radio Service, Part 87 Aircraft Radio Service, Part 97 Amateur Radio Service, Part 13 Commercial and Restricted Radio Service, and Part 95 General Mobile Radio Service all use the same form. I can understand them asking about felony convictions for the Ship, Aircraft, and Commercial services.

I am not saying I necessarily agree with it as applied to ham radio, but as long as so many services over such a wide range of activities use the same form I can understand it being added to the form.

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to obtain the privilege of talking to random strangers about insignificant topics, you must be of good character

you might be a weenie wagging kiddie diddler, but if you have not been caught and convicted you are OK

or you might have been caught growing the one wrong weed among the 30 million weeds you could have grown. a guy like that lacks the moral character to tell a random stranger on the other side of the world "The rig here is a XXXXXXXXXXXX running through a random wire sloper"
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Do they do background criminal checks on applicants?
Not according to the ARRL

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Once the Form 605 update has been implemented, assuming all other information is correct, negative felony question responses will result in a license grant, the FCC said. A YES will place the application in the “pending file for review” category. Applicants answering YES would have to, within 14 days, provide the FCC with a statement explaining the circumstances, and a statement “giving the reasons why the applicant believes that grant of the application would be in the public interest, notwithstanding the actual or alleged misconduct,” the revised Form 605 instructions state. The FCC said an applicant’s answer to the felony question and explanation will be public via ULS, unless a separate request is made to the FCC that the applicant’s explanation be kept confidential. The FCC will review applications on which the felony question has been answered in the affirmative and decide whether to grant them or designate them for hearing.
So if anyone had been convicted of or pled guilty to a felony just answer 'no' anyway, and your license will be granted/renewed without further review.

Question to the hams here however, if you knew someone had lied about that question on the form would you notify the FCC about it?
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Yea, "does not automatically exclude you" uh huh. I believe that. At least with firearms a judge can restore your tights. The governor restores the right to vote. Neither paper says anything about other rights. This is VA at least.
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So if anyone had been convicted of or pled guilty to a felony just answer 'no' anyway, and your license will be granted/renewed without further review.

Question to the hams here however, if you knew someone had lied about that question on the form would you notify the FCC about it?
Having a felony is not an automatic disqualifier. But lying on the forms probably is.

This felony issue has been a part of ham radio for decades. In the past it has been used to "get back" at people. I mean ham A (or even non-ham A) knows ham B has a felony conviction. A drops a dime on B, informing the FCC B has a felony conviction. B is now under "review". I know people this has happened to.

In the past, when this question was not on the forms, B was not held automatically accountable, and after a review was either allowed to keep his ticket or not. Both have happened. But in todays environment, in such a case of intentional misinformation, putting the wrong info on the form on purpose, I bet B would be less likely to keep his ticket.

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Yea, "does not automatically exclude you" uh huh. I believe that. At least with firearms a judge can restore your tights. The governor restores the right to vote. Neither paper says anything about other rights. This is VA at least.
I've known of people with felony records getting their ham license. It takes a couple months and they won't give them to violent offenders. most I'm aware of were convicted of minor drug offenses years before applying for license and can show a clean record for a long period prior to application.
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So if anyone had been convicted of or pled guilty to a felony just answer 'no' anyway, and your license will be granted/renewed without further review.

Question to the hams here however, if you knew someone had lied about that question on the form would you notify the FCC about it?
For the sole sake of said person having lied on the form? No, they probably just wanted to avoid a lot of headache and don't have any bad intentions. Whether they were pedaling pot or had a past life of robbing banks. Live and let live. If I was familiar with the person having a history of dangerous behavior or was currently exhibiting dangerous behaviors that might pose a threat to someone, I'd report it in. Especially if they were predatory and were trying to use radio as a way to gain trust and lure potential victims to meeting somewhere that they would be more vulnerable. The key factor to answering your question is if I think that person is a risk to the safety of others by being on the radio. 99% of the time, that answer will be no.
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Soon having a bible and copy of the constitution will make one a felon if the establishment wins and overturns our electoral process and our republic as well.
Or vice versa it Trump/Pence have their way.
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Having a felony is not an automatic disqualifier. But lying on the forms probably is.

This felony issue has been a part of ham radio for decades. In the past it has been used to "get back" at people. I mean ham A (or even non-ham A) knows ham B has a felony conviction. A drops a dime on B, informing the FCC B has a felony conviction. B is now under "review". I know people this has happened to.

In the past, when this question was not on the forms, B was not held automatically accountable, and after a review was either allowed to keep his ticket or not. Both have happened. But in todays environment, in such a case of intentional misinformation, putting the wrong info on the form on purpose, I bet B would be less likely to keep his ticket.

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Is there a way for ham A to report B anonymously like a crime tip email address at the FCC? http://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/...dio-complaints requires the complainants name and phone.

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What are they afraid a felon will do over the radio?

Run for public office like CONgress.
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