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Old 09-02-2019, 09:46 AM
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I'm not able to locate FFFFg BP locally. Though I am still looking.

Ordering online seems to be the only alternative, but the few online stores that I've found that do offer 4F, require more than just a one (1) pound order. I suppose that I can order other types of powder, but few carry the Triple 7 FFg and FFFg BP substitutes that I choose to shoot, and the other merchants are charging outrageous costs.

Given the fact that I only go through a 1 lb. can of 4F every few years, it makes little sense for me to order 4 pounds.

Does anyone know of an online store that will allow the purchase of just a pound of FFFFg BP?
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Old 09-02-2019, 01:16 PM
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It depends, Track of the Wolf is a good source but they have a min. case quantity. However I believe if you order a case you can mix the order, ie 3-4f,10-2f, 12-3f, etc.
Do you have any mt.man clubs nearby, give them a call, share a case order?
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I'm not able to locate FFFFg BP locally. Though I am still looking.

Ordering online seems to be the only alternative, but the few online stores that I've found that do offer 4F, require more than just a one (1) pound order. I suppose that I can order other types of powder, but few carry the Triple 7 FFg and FFFg BP substitutes that I choose to shoot, and the other merchants are charging outrageous costs.

Given the fact that I only go through a 1 lb. can of 4F every few years, it makes little sense for me to order 4 pounds.

Does anyone know of an online store that will allow the purchase of just a pound of FFFFg BP?
If you want this to prime the pan on a flintlock, I suggest you simply use the same powder as you use for the main charge. I prime with 2FG.
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If you want this to prime the pan on a flintlock, I suggest you simply use the same powder as you use for the main charge. I prime with 2FG.
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I have used 2F and 3F BP a pinch, but the ignition takes much longer. As I have a supply T7 that I got at a really good price, I'm not that keen of using it for such.

In any event, I found a guy with 8lbs of 4Fg in stock, an hour drive from me, so I purchased 2 lbs today. A couple gallons of gasoline is much better than paying the additional $35 in hazmat fees.
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It's not worth buying 1LB online. The hazmat charge will be more than the powder.

Graf's has the best prices but the minimum order is 4lbs.
https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog...ategoryId/3501

What state do you live in and what is the nearest city?
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I grind my own priming powder from 3F. Just put a little in a glass bowl and crush it with a spoon.
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I grind my own priming powder from 3F. Just put a little in a glass bowl and crush it with a spoon.
I've done the same in the field when I realized priming flask was empty,drop 10-15 grains into powder measure and grind it with long end of bullet starter.
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Keep in mind when looking locally that BP is required to be kept behind the counter. You have to ask for it.
Seems like the last can I got was from a Bass Pro or Cabela's.

Again, ask around and put together a bulk order with others to break up shipping costs.
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BP stores forever if kept dry. My favorite fake BP is American Pioneer. 777 hang fires for me every time. Annoying small delay between cap and bang, even with an RWS Musket cap.

The local muzzle stuffer club has powder at good prices, much better if you are a member.
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I use the same in my pan as I do in the charge. If I really need to I can carefully grind up a few grains of 3 f on a wooden plank w/ a wooden rolling pin. JA
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I don't use 4FG for priming, I just use 2FG, the same as my main charge.
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I don't use 4FG for priming, I just use 2FG, the same as my main charge.
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That's good to know. In a historical context was it done the same?
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That's good to know. In a historical context was it done the same?
Yes.

I have 7 flintlocks. 6 I can prime with the same powder that I load with and they fire fine. One has a hesitation that I've yet to work out. It's not the powder though...it's the lock.
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was there typically two horns? A small one for priming?
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was there typically two horns? A small one for priming?
You are asking a question that I've seen argued a million times on black powder boards.

From what I have read/heard...the 2 horn phase started around the early 1800's. Previous to that one horn was the usual. Every now and then though someone will find an old bag with a small horn in it, or a reference in an old letter that refers to priming powder. Then the debate starts again.

The bulk of the evidence says that prior to 1800 they would have carried one horn. By the end of the flintlock era two may have been semi common.

Matchlocks had priming horns though....so I don't know if anyone can say definitively.
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There are some very fast flint locks designs - Siler? The thickness of the wall at the flash hole and its diameter are big factors. I always wanted to build a Ferguson rifle. Powder quality in the old days varied a lot. Water proofing a pan was often done with beeswax.
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thanks for the info. I think in my gun stuff there is a old small horn that may have been boiled and flattened a bit. I assumed it was for priming.

Where is a good place to buy a fowler? I've been wanting to get into a flint lock. Been looking on gunbroker and track of the wolf. Thought about a kit from track of the wolf, they're about 8 to 9 hundred dollars
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Call your LGS and ask if the powder can be ordered. I order powder for lots of people. I don't do a powder order often as it is expensive. Lots of powders are out of stock now.

ETA, I missed the post where SP found his powder.

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thanks for the info. I think in my gun stuff there is a old small horn that may have been boiled and flattened a bit. I assumed it was for priming.
I collect old powder horns. I hesitate to say antique because black powder rifles were in common usage in my area of the country well into the 1900s. So when i say antique people think 17 or 1800s. Truth is some are probably from the first half of the 1900s.

My great granddad was still killing deer with a .42 caliber percussion rifle in the 1930s. I have his gun, horn and knife.

Anyway, it sounds like you have what I have always heard referred to as an "Appalachian" horn. They were boiled, squeezed semi flat and plugged. Typically you won't find any staple in the rear for hanging them from a strap. The small end may be worked into a regular powder horn shape, rounded over or simple cut and drilled. Usually they were carried inside of a pouch or a pocket.

They are usually fairly small but were not made for carrying priming powder. They were what's referred to as a "day horn". After the Indians were driven out and the land was populated there wasn't much use in carrying the big ox horns that were in use in previous eras. All you needed was enough powder to kill a opposum or two and maybe shoot at your neighbor once or twice if you caught him with your daughter when you got home.

The Scandinavians were fond of this style of horn too, but theirs are typically a lot bigger. Almost full sized.

The Scotts like them too but theirs were larger and VERY flat on the sides.

If you have a picture of it I'd love to see it. They fascinate me.

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Where is a good place to buy a fowler? I've been wanting to get into a flint lock. Been looking on gunbroker and track of the wolf. Thought about a kit from track of the wolf, they're about 8 to 9 hundred dollars
If you are hooked on a fowler that's probably about what you are going to pay for a good kit. If you would be happy with a rifle Jim Kibler makes a kit for a little more money but as a first time builder you'd probably be a lot happier with. it's slightly more complicated to put together than Legos.

Rumor has it that he is going to offer a fowler soon. If so, that would be a good option for you.

My own fowler is a Jim Chambers Pennsylvania fowler. It's one of my favorite firearms. I've used it for over 20 years.
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