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Old 09-28-2011, 12:11 PM
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Great post and great thread. I have been wondering that for a while since my family buys the GIGANTIC bottles of OTC meds. It's a couple of dollars more, and you get close to double. Now if I can just convince my wife of that. She likes to throw stuff away that is "old." Have stopped her and found that the stuff didn't expire for 6 more months. Oh well...
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Great to know! I'm about to start stocking up on meds and am trying to do as much research as I can. Being as I have a close family member with a penicillin allergy, I'm glad that the cycline myth is overblown.
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Originally Posted by Kregener View Post
Most prescriptions are toxic from the day the Pharmacist shoves them across the counter. They are designed to mask symptoms, not cure.

Find a cure.
penicillin does not mask your symptom it cures it...
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As far as antibiotics,I won't take em...Also heard the toxic thing if stored too long...
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Aspirin is good until it smells like vinegar. We have a bottle of uncoated aspirin bought in the late '80s that still seems to be potent, unless we are prey to the placebo effect. By uncoated I mean non-enteric coated.
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Here is a good video with links from thepatriotnurse on you tube
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Old 05-07-2012, 09:17 PM
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most expiration dates are used to mark a drugs Efficacy, or the point where the medication is the most "potent". after this date most medications will start to degrade and lose its potency therefore the medication will still work but not to the full extent. why all types of medications are affected by heat and humidity, liquid medications are also affected by sun light, so storage is very important
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Interesting thread.

I have a pretty good stock of broad spectrum antibiotics (Oxytetracycline) which I can rotate at the moment and are good on the packet until 2014, but should I not be able to add to/rotate them for any reason I would like to know how long they are 'good' for.

Any antibiotic is going to be useful if there are no docs or chemists for whatever reason.
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Originally Posted by Viking Josh
My grandma has meds that are over 20 years old, and she uses them every so often.

I think most meds have no expiration, but only have it on there so people buy more.
Exactly what I have always thought..... BIG PHARMA is greedy and wants you to keep spending $$$$
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I have Hydrocodone pills that are over 10 years old and still work. I have 800mg Motrin pills that are almost 8 years old and they still work. But don't screw around with antibiotics, especially in liquid form. They'll go toxic from what I've heard.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:53 AM
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Here's a good article on the subject of drug expiration dates:

It re-iterates many of the points already made in this thread.
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While many meds keep longer than printed date, some out of date drugs are donated in third world countries, others do not. A couple that come to mind are nitro. And insulin which may have a printed date 3 years out, refrigerated, may keep only a month or so once opened. Lantus says to discard after 28 days after opening regardless of keeping it in a fridge.
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The VA hospital also researched this and found that after 10 years most drugs maintained most of there effectiveness. Antibiotics, Nitro and a few others you would not want to risk. The shame of all these drugs being thrown away is that they end up in our water supply. That is a large amount of drugs. Think of all those 30 day supplies that folks stopped taking after a week because they felt well.

I keep my medicines. In fact I have a supply of Oxy that is very old because I have about 6 kidney stones that could attack me at any moment and I would rather not stand in line at the ER ever again waiting for a pain pill. Getting a new supply of Oxy is impossible these days unless you present symptoms etc.
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A nurse friend of mine told me that for the most part medications dont really expire.
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Nope its mostly Greed.......
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Antibiotics could be worth their weight in gold in a SHTF situation.

I would like to better understand this notion that Penicillin can go toxic.

If I have some 'left over' Penicillin hard pills after a root canal..... how long can I keep them? 6 months.... 1 year.... 3 years.... 5 years?

How are they best kept.... Frig or just in the medicine cabinet????

Hypothetically..... SHTF kicks off and one of mine has a gun shot wound....... Yeah, I want to feed them Penicillin I have kept.
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I have lot of expired pain meds but I dont know how long they are good. I have had motion sickness pills that were old and I figured they would work. I puked for 8 hours on a fishing charter learning that mistake.
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one of my military medical manuals had an index in the back giving extended times for meds - most were good long beyond their 'expiry' date. It also listed alternate meds one could substitute for one that you might not have available.
Hesperian Press "Where there is no doctor" states that the 'cillins' (pennicillin, amoxicillin, etc) lost potency slowly but were safe to increase dosage of to make up for it. Research carefully, but the info IS out there.
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Originally Posted by razadp View Post
Ahem - I've worked in the pharma biz as an analytical chemist for a lot of years.

There is no 'general rule' for how long drugs last. It all depends on the chemistry of that drug. However, there are some guidelines regarding hydrolysis rates most of which are too complex to talk about to non-chemists.

Protein drugs have a short life - ie enzymes, hormones, antibiotics. Most likely they will 'go bad' fairly close after the expiration date.

Humidity and heat is the biggest degrader of any drug. Therefore the bathroom cabinet is a bad idea, if you regularly get foggy mirrors. The cabinet above the stove is bad. Anywhere in sunshine or directly exposed to fluorescent light is bad, as UV is also a common degradent.

However, as any time a company claims a 'good until date', they have to back that up by extensive studies of hundreds of analyses of multiple batches, in every packaging style that drug is sold, for the full length claimed. That gets expensive. So any drug that looks like it will last over 2 years, gets a 2 year label.

I've heard of our labs finding a 'probable stability time' of 1200 yrs plus or minus 400 years. It got a 2 year label.

Personally, I use my generic ibuprofen until its gone, usually several years past its date.
Does freeze drying help some of those drugs ? Or even freezing ?
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Let's assume your are in a full blown SHTF event. Infrastructure is gone and is not coming back in your lifetime. FEMA is not going to pull into your driveway with an 18 wheeler full of "stuff" you need with a current "use by" date. You, because you can't bathe but once a month, are filthy all the time and scrape your knee on barbed wire, "come along" vines, whatever, and it accesses into blood poisoning.

Your neighbor, friend, whatever, has some expired fish antibiotics. You are in agony (serious blood infections are very painful, I know from personal experience). Are you telling me your wouldn't at least give them a try, along with the out of date food you have well cooked? If so, been nice knowing you. If the stuff IS toxic, been nice knowing you.

Many of the folks here have an idea the big SHTF events will be an inconvenience. Nothing could be further from the truth. They will be the end of the world as we know it.


shoot straight - stay safe
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