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Old 04-26-2011, 07:03 PM
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I just got a Win Model 70 in 30.06. Buying a scope, but have some questions,
I have determined that 3-9x40 is the best optic for what I will be using it for. I want a Nikon/Leuopold because they have a lifetime warranty.

Now, my question is, Cabelas has a Nikon "ProStaff" model in 3-9x40 for around $100:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...Tz_stype%3DGNU

But, there are also Leupold scopes at 3-9x40 that costs almost $300:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104535180

What are the differences between a cheap scope (from a renowned manufacturer) and a more expensive scope, considering same magnification and size?
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light transmission and quality control.

prostaffs are good scopes.
if i were going to spend the extra scratch id go with a nikon buckmaster.
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Work an extra shift or two and get the better model.
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i will also add that a prostaff, or the redfield line, arnt what i would call cheap scopes. these will perform well in the field, will hold up well to the sometimes harsh conditions of hunting, hold there zero, have repeatable adjustments, and last a lifetime if taken care of. they arnt target scopes, and you will be able to tell the difference when you look threw one and look threw a top tier optic.

what they are is affordable.
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For hunting (it looks like some of these are for high-end target shooters), what would be a good price range for me to spend? Around the $300 mark, or even more expensive?

And, do any of you know what a bullet-drop compensator reticle is vs. a normal + reticle?

Thanks for the replies everybody, I really appreciate it.
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I've owned all kinds of scopes over the years, my opinion is the Burris Fullfield II with the Ballistic-Plex http://www.burrisoptics.com/fullfield1.html#3x9x is a far better option in that price range than either of them.
The Prostaff is a low end entry-level scope.
The VX 1 Leupold isn't much better. You are paying an extra $100 more than its worth for the name stamped in the side.

Neither are "fully multi-coated", only the external surface of the objective and ocular lenses are multi-coated. All other lens surfaces are single coated. Not much of a difference in the middle of the day, but the first and last few minutes of daylight it's like someone turned a light on.

For that matter I would buy a 3-9x38 Weaver 'Classic' http://www.weaveroptics.com/optics/r...pes/classic_v/ before either the Prostaff or VX-1 also.

Both the burris and the weaver can be had for about $175 at bearbasin.com
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Why not get a $300-400 scope for under $200. Burris fullfield II. Absolutely love those scopes. Only have 4 so far. Nikon prostaff is OK, but the burris is much better.

I know what folk think when they hear leupold. However, there are several reasons I would not include the VX-I or VX-II in that category. One is their multi piece tube design. Second is the way the recticle is moved. I'm sure they're OK scopes, but they added $100 because of the name they slapped on it.

Prostaff is a well built scope, just with not good glass installed on it. It has OK glass and is a much better choice than some chinese special. At low light situations, it can suffer versus other glass. That burris fullfield II is great in low light. IF the end or your hunting is day is right at dusk and not 30 min after like some states, the prostaff will do OK.

A few thing I have grown fond of with scopes. Eye relief range, the ability to be able to see clearly with-in a range of distance from your eye. It seems the wider ranges, the quicker or pretty much instantly you see the scope sight picture instead of fishing with your head to find it. A bigger recticle. I like thicker ones. I personally shoot closer ranges and rarely need to factor in bullet drop. So, I want a recticle I can easily see in low light. Nikon has that black to burnt orange shimmer. Kind of like those holographic stickers. Very noticeable in low light.

Never have a store install the scope for you. You cn not tell in 15 second where to put that scope. It takes atleast a few minutes. Put it in there loosely and mount the gun several times. Try it with a coat on too. Try it bench position, kneeling, standing up, crouched up a bit like in a treestand. IF your not much of a prone shooter, don't try it that way. Then try it at low, mid, and high power. The eye relief distance changes with magnification. I just about always leave it on low power, with only exception to load development. It seems like a long exhausting process to slap a piece of tin on your rifle, but it pays off immensely if you have to make a surprise shot if you stumble on an animal.
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For hunting (it looks like some of these are for high-end target shooters), what would be a good price range for me to spend? Around the $300 mark, or even more expensive?

And, do any of you know what a bullet-drop compensator reticle is vs. a normal + reticle?

Thanks for the replies everybody, I really appreciate it.
A true BDC reticle is designed specifically for one particular cartridge/bullet combination.
The generic hunting types like the Burris Ballistic plex or Leupold Boone & Crocket take a composite of the most popular cartidge and make one set of marks that will work well for all of them. But you have to consult some ballistics tables, and shoot it to make sure.

For example, my Savage 30-06 with the 4.5-14 Burris shooting 165s, zeroed perfectly at 200yds, the 2nd crosshair was almost perfect at 275, the 3rd crosshair was perfect at 375 and the next one was good for 460yds.
While not the perfect 200-300-400 it still works amazingly well once you work with it.
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I bought the top of the line Leupold gold rings (vari-x 3) scopes for both my primary hunting rifles. The 270 has a 2.5-8x and the 338 has a 1.5-5x.

I bought these when I was single so I did not care about cost. I am very happy with the quality and nothing approaches their anti reflection coatings.

I own some cheaper scopes including Burris fullfields, Leupold vary-x 1, and a Simmons axtec. The Burris and the Simmons are fine optically, but much heavier than the Leupold. The others are just OK.
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How does this Zeiss scope compare against the others I have linked?
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat104535180
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Sorry to go off topic, but you can buy a good quality scope made in the USA:
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=...8&fr=yfp-t-701
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That ziess will treat you very well. No huge need to get that nice, but if you do, you won't regret it. Might kick yourself a bit if you get to know some of the recommendations on this thread.

I prefer less than 3-9x. I compromise at times because I get a real good scope from the fullfield II in 3-9x.

However, for my specific main hunting rifles; I either get a low magnification -like 1-5x or the 3-9x pretty much to me is a 3x fixed scope.

A good way to compare scopes at the store is to see how far away you can read stuff in the store with the scope, or see details like peg holes on a display rack.
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the leupold is not 3 times better, thus get the prostaff
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I am finally entering the world of scopes and optics after shooting with irons all this time. My eyesight is starting to get worse. I have been researching for about 2 years now. Scoping my Remington Model 7. My budget was about 3-400$ range.

I just ordered my first scope being the Nikon Monarch 2-8x33 with standard reticle. I have Monarch X binos and they are very good. Not like high end ziess, lecia or leupolds, but they are very sharp and bright.

But when I looked through all the scopes I was thinking about, you can certainly tell the difference between the 1000$+ scopes and the 300$ ones. Worlds different than the 1-200$ scopes also. But a thousand was just not in the budget. So I compared the 500 dollar + range and the Nikon Monarch was comparable in light and clarity.

Had good reviews so I went with Nikon Monarch. I also strongly considered the Redfield Revolution line since I heard they were a good value also. Now keep in mind, I went with this model since I only needed a lower power scope and keep my shots under 200 yards. For elk, you may want the higher magnification and larger objective lens which may cost more in that Nikon Monarch line.

Also, remember you need to get a quality set of rings and a mount for the scope. Consider that in your budget also.
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Been doing lots of reading on reviews today, now I am thinking about the Leupold VX-3 in 2.5-8x36. Cabelas has this product for $400. Same price as the Zeiss Conquest, but I'd prefer an American product and from everything I've read the two scopes are very comparable.

How much money ought I be spending on a mount and rings?

Thanks for the help again everybody, I really appreciate it.
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Been doing lots of reading on reviews today, now I am thinking about the Leupold VX-3 in 2.5-8x36. Cabelas has this product for $400. Same price as the Zeiss Conquest, but I'd prefer an American product and from everything I've read the two scopes are very comparable.

How much money ought I be spending on a mount and rings?

Thanks for the help again everybody, I really appreciate it.
If I were to have bumped up my maximum allotment by $150+ or so, I would have went with the Leupold VX-3 also. But I set myself a strict limit. Just know though, as with binoculars, the smaller the objective lens, the less light transmitted through.

For mounts, anywhere from 50-100$+ I went with the Leupold quick release since I still want to shoot iron sights.
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I have one of the Prostaff scopes in question, the scope rocks. I have actually used it on a number of rifles including an 30-06. Its what Id recommend.
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I've got A couple Nikon Prostaffs, Nikon Coyote's and a Nikon rimfire on one of my 10/22's and they are great scopes and have had no problems with any of them.

The Redfield Revolution mentioned above is also a very good inexpensive option which I own as well and it's got nice glass for the money..
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Been doing lots of reading on reviews today, now I am thinking about the Leupold VX-3 in 2.5-8x36. Cabelas has this product for $400. Same price as the Zeiss Conquest, but I'd prefer an American product and from everything I've read the two scopes are very comparable.

How much money ought I be spending on a mount and rings?

Thanks for the help again everybody, I really appreciate it.
It's a great scope and with the 36 mm objective you won't bash into this with it.
My Rugers came with integral bases and rings, but I like Talley rings for other rifles. Brownells sells them.
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You can never buy a cheap scope and expect quality scope results. But this doesn't mean you have to fall off the cliff on high end scopes either. I do understand many of you have had good results with some of the cheaper scope brands but I would trust shooting animals of having my life depend upon one. IMO
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