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Old 03-31-2020, 12:10 PM
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Other then Men or Devils what other creature can they be?
Cat, I thought you'd appreciate me using an Orthodox video in the OP. Are you familiar with the music? Can you tell me more about it? It has a profound, haunting (or other worldly and holy) quality about it.

Until recently, I've always approached this subject from the other perspective; mathematically, what are the odds that we are the only life in the universe. However, Sylvia Browne's book on heaven parallels the multiverse theory or as Jesus put it, many rooms. Sylvia says there are many heavens ruled by many Messiah's, son's of God of their universe. Moreover, she says there are many that are far more advanced than us humans. Her work got me thinking that if it were so, there would be no 'aliens' in a given universe; that each type of sentient being, formed through the Sons of God's Creative desire would have its self-contained universe to thrive in.

So, I flipped the mathematical question on its head; what are the odds that these UFO's and stories of alien abductions NEVER result in physical evidence? A red flag is that we never see them land, come or go. It reminds me of the story of Jesus in the desert. The devil took Jesus to the top of a mountain (or building). That is power. It does not say how they traveled. Implied is instantaneous coming and going, just like the UFO's.

It's a little silly to suppose aliens would travel here from 100's of light years away, be here for decades, showing themselves in many shapes and sizes and places but NOT say hello for a proper introduction during the daylight in a big city with many witnesses. They approach us as predators to prey, picking us off one at a time, in the dark when we are most vulnerable. Despite my natural curiosity and willingness to meet an ET, upon reflection, a prudent mind must conclude they are not friendly.

But the biggest red flag is the many alien abduction stories sound like demonic torture. Another poster testified about how she felt upon seeing the UFO's. Years ago I repeatedly saw these orbs, bright but small balls of light. Initially, I thought they were spirits of dead loved ones. Their repeated presence in different places but always at night began to feel ominous. This uneasy feeling, the feeling of being in the presence of malevolence is consistent in every single alien abduction story. Terror. Abject terror. Now that I think about it, how can anyone not see the connection?

Some say UFO's and alien abductions are different. Different but related, as the bow is to the arrow. Other than Men or Devils what other creature can they be, indeed?!

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So there are 2 things here:

1. The story of your dad might be true because we know that Tesla (through the dreams God sent to him) was able to envision and built advanced devices completely before their time. If some of these devices were improved on and used to create UFO by hidden government then the answer is the "aliens" are men like us, that we eat together with a hamburger at McDonalds, as in Star Gate Series (Col. O'Neil).

2. Satan might be flying but is it possible to fly to God? Because in Job he was going to God. Can UFO or any ship fly to God? So if the answer is no, than Satan is a spirit and "fly" as a spirit.

Also if Satan is the same as the Serpent (or the one who possessed the Serpent) in the Garden of Eden does he need/or can use flying machines to fly? He seems to either not have hands to built anything with or feet to put into the UFO (if he was the Serpent that lost his hands and feet) or that he is a spirit that can enter other people bodies, so no need to stay far in some spaceship.

Other then Men or Devils what other creature can they be?

The whole idea is a bit beyond my pay scale but I was amazed at this passage in Ezekiel:

Ezekiel Chapter 1

1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity,
3 The word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was there upon him.
4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.
9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.
11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.
12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.
13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.
25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake."


It certainly sounds as if Ezekiel saw something extraordinary. It seems to describe a ship of some sort. Or it could be something symbolic, altogether. ??????
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I'm sure there are both good and evil beings out there just like the people here. Are "they" coming here - yep and have been for a long time.
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I've never seen this video before, but I distinctly remember reading the essay somewhere some time ago. The video quotes the exact work that I recall and makes a good case that UFOs are demons.

The Eastern Orthodox position on UFOs has always been that they are not "extraterrestrial" higher beings, but demons from hell. The video reproduction of the essay is spot on and should be a dire warning to everyone.

I voted "yes."
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Not only have visitors been coming here for millennia but have also been living here for probably longer than humans. Admiral Byrd met and spent time with those who live in the inner earth when they took him inside the earth through the hole at the north pole. He wrote about it and discussed it for a brief time before tptb convinced him to shut up and hide out for the rest of his life by murdering his copilot. I consider Adm. Byrd to be the most reliable witness to the humans of the inner earth and there are thousands of reliable witnesses who experienced interactions of all kinds, both positive and negative, with many different races of "aliens".
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Sometimes, humans search for answers and attach ideas and theories on to things & concepts that are not understood. Since there is no current explanation, the mystical explanation is easier to assimilate and discuss.

Then, with time and repetition, these descriptions are agreed upon and become divine or anathema. Supernatural explanations are frequently used to describe events or ideas that are otherwise unexplainable events.
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The whole idea is a bit beyond my pay scale but I was amazed at this passage in Ezekiel:

Ezekiel Chapter 1

1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
2 In the fifth day of the month, which was the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity,
3 The word of the Lord came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was there upon him.
4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.
9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.
11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.
12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.
13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
21 When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
22 And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
24 And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.
25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake."


It certainly sounds as if Ezekiel saw something extraordinary. It seems to describe a ship of some sort. Or it could be something symbolic, altogether. ??????
The Bible never talks about technological advances directly or events and it is ALWAYS allegoric when talking about the future. So although many tried to say that this passage is about big space ship guess what they are not only wrong they are grade 1 IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before even becoming a live Christian (so about 10-11 years old) I was reading about paranormal and other stuff. And I had this book called UFO in the Bibles. And this passage was there front and center. This is crack-pot for pot heads. Addictive small mind food.

The truth is that there is nothing in Creation that is more important then souls for God. That is why first He gave men to eat seeds then he said, go for animals with no shame. Only The Angels and Men souls are important. So there will be no Space ships coming from sky. OK? Anything that comes is BS from the devil that will fool even the elect if possible. Please do not fall for this fake UFO crave so early, not SO early. Let them come and even then let them prove to us that they are not devils then we can talk. Not even there I will believe them, but I want to see the devils trying to pretend they are aliens, that will be a VERY interesting conversation they will have with me.

Until then lets get serious.
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Cat, I thought you'd appreciate me using an Orthodox video in the OP. Are you familiar with the music? Can you tell me more about it? It has a profound, haunting (or other worldly and holy) quality about it.

Yes Peter. I appreciate you putting Orthodoxy videos.

This is from this book (Written in the 70'-80':

Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Father Seraphim Rose

https://www.amazon.ca/Orthodoxy-Reli.../dp/188790400X

I hope you will continue to look at Orthodox videos for 2 reasons. First because they have an interesting perspective and second because they show more backbone and first class knowledge than the world around you.

Also it is beautiful to listen to the centuries old Orthodox Chants finally being done right in English. I always said America will benefit of Orthodoxy but it is taken badly by the people that have no idea what Orthodoxy really is, and clearly do not know the benefits that come with it.
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So although many tried to say that this passage is about big space ship guess what they are not only wrong they are grade 1 IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cat, it's good to know you've changed to become more humble and understanding of those who have different opinions than you.

NOTE TO AJ: I don't mean this literally.
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Cat, it's good to know you've changed to become more humble and understanding of those who have different opinions than you.

NOTE TO AJ: I don't mean this literally.

Whew! I worried for a minute there.
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It's going to be OK. When they come, the pope is ready to baptize them.

True story.

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The came, they saw (no intelligent life), they left...
Once while they stop by for laughs (sim. to me watching funny animal videos).
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