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#1 ·
Russia has sent forces to the Ukraine. I figure Putin is going to suppress the uprising and reinstate the president.

Obama said Putin would be making a mistake by interfering.

Situation is getting serious.

Besides talk I do not look for Obama to do anything. He is good about killing people with drones, but lets see him push someone around who has a real military.

The honest truth is Obama does not have the skills to deal with this type of situation. You do not issue threats to Putin, you invite him over for a steak dinner and some drinks.

Obama is making a big mistake by issuing threats to Putin.
 
#446 ·
Here is something weird I just read about Russia-Ukraine-Europe relationship.

Apparently, on January 28, pretty much couple weeks before the revolution, former president Yanukovich imposed a ban on nuclear fuel shipments from Russia to Europe via Ukraine. The ban was lifted by new Ukrainian government on March 6th, that's 10 days before Crimea referendum. It sounds like a really strange thing to do by Kiev, with all the confrontations, economic war, situation in Crimea, etc.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101477628
http://www.wiseinternational.org/node/4053
 
#448 ·
Crimea was Russian territory for over 200 years. It was given to Ukraine by the USSR and their unbelievable bureaucracy, but it was always a place with a Russian majority.
The groups that won in Ukraine, while pro-western, are not saints themselves. So Russia needs to take their strategical interest into account and act in order to secure what by tradition is Russian territory.
And frankly, if you are talking about socialism, I would be more worried about the European Union increasing their influence than about Russia nowadays.
 
#449 ·
Crimea was Russian territory for over 200 years.
When the bolshevik pigs overthrew the tsarist russia, they automatically "owned" everything, no? Then they went on killing sprees to eliminate everyone not with the party...and even those in the party. And repopulated other areas with 'party people'. Common was russian pigs come in and take what they want. If you are living in a place they want to live, you do have freedom of choice--leave or be shot.

So they themselves established "he who has the power of the gun and wins the fight gets whatever they want".

Like the world realizes, the only thing that russians (and communist thugs) understand it the bore of a gun.



So Russia needs to take their strategical interest into account and act in order to secure what by tradition is Russian territory.
thank you for being honest. with pukin and company putting out so much propaganda and lies, things get lost on some people for some reason.
This really isn't hard to understand. Pukin is a neo-soviet and wants to re-establish the glory (and money for him/his cronies) of the soviet empire.

Pretty simple.

And frankly, if you are talking about socialism, I would be more worried about the European Union increasing their influence than about Russia nowadays.
lol. pukin and his kgb/fsb cronies own russia. Eu influencing russia....lol.
 
#452 ·
It was not soviet russia that created mass unemployment in the US and the destruction of the middle class by creating and EPA and OSHA in order to make absurdely expensive to hire americans, all the while closing your eyes for the offshoring of those same jobs for countries like China that don't give a damn to the same regulations that are destroying the US.
Soviet cronies? Well, at least they build factories in Russia, unlike your liberal east coast MBAs, at least they pay their taxes in Russia, unlike Google that used every loophole possible not to pay taxes meanwhile they do everything on their hand to propagate the liberal ideology, from PACs to penalizing pro 5th ammendment sites on their search results.
Really man, you'd better look for the Bolsheviks not in Russia, because you must be blind not to see they where they really are, and they are pretty closer to you than what you think.
Is not russia who is exporting the Socialistic Revolution, but the White House, your Ivy League schools, your "progressist" tech millionaires and american foundations.
 
#455 ·
An american complaining about a country supposedly invading another one is one of the most amusing things I've ever heard.
You sir, are a gifted comedian.
And mind you, I believe almost all military interventions of the US armed forces on foreign lands during this century were either morally or strategically justified, even the Vietnam. Of course, I exclude the interventions on Egypt and Lybia that only served to promote the interests of the radical muslins on that countries, but other than that, I think that even Vietnam war was needed and justified.

But the thing is, the US doesn't have the monopoly of strategical intervention rights. Russia is still a military super power and won't let a bunch of neo-nazis on the new Ukraine government get their way with Crimea. And the US and the NATO won't move a finger, besides some rhetorical moves, to stop that.
 
#456 ·
You sir, are a gifted comedian.
Why thank you, but really, poking fun of the clueless and propagandized isn't that monumental of a task. It's rather easy.

And I and a lot of other americans would pull back our aid to other countries in a heartbeat. Like the $10,000,000,000 "we" gave to your country so your country could drill for oil in your oilfields. If you would ask most americans, we'd say 'screw brazil' let them pay for their own way and quit sucking off the US taxpayer, but that's just me.

More good humor:

Russia is still a military super power and won't let a bunch of neo-nazis on the new Ukraine government get their way with Crimea.
Yeah, that's it neo-nazis!!!!! Glorious mother russia, the fair land of milk and honey will save those poor ukranians from hitler!!!! Or was it gays? Or muslims? They keep switching it around, but as long as you've imbibed the nazi/hitler soup:


(Reuters) - The parliament of Ukraine's Crimea voted on Monday to nationalise energy companies Chornomornaftohaz and Ukrtransgaz, according to a statement on the parliament's website.

Last week, a Crimean official said that the local authorities may sell the energy firm Chornomornaftohaz to a Russian company "such as Gazprom" once the region takes control of it.

A Moscow-backed referendum in Crimea on Sunday showed overwhelming support for joining the Russian Federation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0ME2LG20140317
Putin intends to have Gazprom develop the off-shore gas reserves of Chornomornaftohaz and Ukrtransgaz, two firms nationalized earlier this week by the Crimean parliament. By having Russia acquire Crimea, Putin gained control of about 70% of Ukraine’s Black Sea off-shore oil and gas drilling rights.

ExxonMobil Corporation was intent on breaking Gazprom’s dominance in supplying over 50% to 100% of the natural gas usage for 18 countries in Europe, including Germany and the Ukraine. In 2012, ExxonMobile discovered the Domino Field in neighboring Romania, whose gas reserves are so large that the nation expects to soon become a natural gas exporter. ExxonMobile Corporation quickly licensed from Ukraine the rights to drill in the Skifska tract off-shore from the Crimean Peninsula and partnered with Royal Dutch Shell Plc to spend $735 million drilling two wells about 50 miles off Crimea’s southwestern coast.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...a-s-Gas-Rights
 
#457 ·
#466 ·
yeah, it's about hitler or nazis or the US or some BS.....

from 11/2013
A New “Gas War”


In late October, Gazprom demanded that Ukraine pay its nearly $1 billion debt for gas delivered to Ukraine since August 1st. Russia is likely to increase pressure on Ukraine, leaving open the possibility of a new “gas war,” if Kiev continues moving toward European integration. Political analyst Tatyana Stanovaia argues that Moscow is returning to its former “arm-twisting” tactics to keep Ukraine within its zone of influence.
...
Moscow’s tactics have always varied depending on who they are dealing with. Relations have been tougher with Ukraine and Georgia, [russia has now invaded both and blamed the US) who have opted for a Euro-Atlantic vector of development.
...
In January 2009, the Ukraine–Russia gas agreement was revised...The Ukrainian government set the overall mission of revising the gas contracts with Russia, but Moscow inserted conditions involving political demands into the conversation.
...

“This means that if Ukraine joins the association with the EU and fixes its obligations under the Energy Community, Gazprom will just not be interested in participating in any joint investments scheme with Ukraine,” said Putin’s aide [which is why they invaded crimea and took over 70% of ukraines gas/oil reserves].
...
If Ukraine signs an agreement at the Vilnius summit, that will be the biggest defeat for the Kremlin—not because such a signature would kick off the European integration of Ukraine, but because Moscow has invested too much in the effort to prevent this outcome from happening.
...

The profound difference between Russia and the EU is that the EU offers a civilized vision of the future: the European standard of living. Russia's proposal on this issue cannot compete: it is designed to put Ukraine in the position of a vassal and deprive it of the right to its own state. This means that Moscow has already lost strategically.

http://imrussia.org/en/economy/603-a-new-gas-war
for those cheerleading for and/or are suckers of russia, there may be some openings in putin's youth camps....

http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1646809_1416345,00.html
 
#471 ·
With the number of Russian troops increasing on Ukraine's Eastern border, the ousted President is now reportedly saying -

'"As a president who is with you with all my thoughts and soul, I urge every sensible citizen of Ukraine: Don't give in to impostors! Demand a referendum on the status of each region within Ukraine," said Mr Yanukovych, quoted by Itar-Tass news agency.'

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26784236
 
#474 ·
I spoke with a friend of mine today, who's parents are in Odessa - they are, with all seriousness, expecting Russian tanks. Personally, I just don't see it happening, but they are dead sure about it.
He asked them to just come here, but they are afraid their house will be looted by local criminals, if they do. So, they basically sitting home with the shotgun.
 
#484 ·
More news from Ukraine, excuse me for not posting here constantly - I have a job and prepping to do.
As a matter of fact a lot of people in Ukraine are prepping right now - stocking on food and different supplies. The fear of war is very strong, but so is the patriotism. I'm sourcing military surplus bullet proof vests at the moment.


News from Crimea - the occupation government is forcing people to get Russian citizenship,
they do it in two ways: planing to give Russian citizenship automatically and threaten thous who oppose getting it .

The one good point in the whole Ukrainian army pacifism (lets call it that way) is that it got enough time to prepare troops and military equipment.


I want to clarify one more thing about the whole government propaganda in the interwebz (and other media). There is no point in denying it, you don't have to be Snowden to know it is real. But if you think logically you can spot propaganda BS. As you may already know Ukraine can't afford no propaganda machine, the only resource that Ukraine has is the patriots.
USA has more than enough money to finance anything, but I think events in Ukraine caught the USA government totally off guard. This explains the whole slow reaction to the events (plus the Obama factor) - they caught off guard and started to count all the option.

Russia has a lot less money than USA, but their propaganda machine is really powerful in the russian speaking space, and they are taking some serious steps in getting a powerful english language propaganda machine.
In the web part they have the "15 rubble army", an army of people that creates tons of bots in social networks and forums and gets 15 rubble per post. They follow guidelines on how to get life-like, credible looking bots and frequently use "real" names instead of nicknames on forums etc.
In the russian part of the internet, mainly the thinking part of it, people get accused of getting 15 stinking rubbles, for any support of Putin and his regime ;)
More about this in russian article translated by google - https://translate.google.com.ua/tra...=_t&hl=uk&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.ds.ru/ss1.htm

It is very indicative that Russian media started portraying Ukrainian opposition and protesters as nazi thugs, right from the beginning of protests. Brainwashing their citizens and trying to brainwash western people.
 
#486 ·
It is funny to see how two propaganda machines inherited from USSR, one in Ukraine and one in Russia trying to work their way against each other, using the same techniques :)
I mean, looking at pro-ukraine and pro-russian message boards you can see the same arguments used by both sides - the other side is always paid, either 200 grivnas for Maidan, or 15 rubles for internet, the other side are criminals, the other side are fascist.

Here, just for kicks, a good pair for the translation you provided :)
http://translate.google.com/transla...arin-alive.livejournal.com/20091.html&act=url
 
#488 ·
More news from Ukraine, excuse me for not posting here constantly - I have a job and prepping to do.
You guys and gals are doing well. Sucks to be in crimea though.
vlady pukin incorporated is supporting iran, thus the iran/saudi war in syria.
The osa anti-armor osa rockets come from central europe are are pretty easy/simple....and seem to be smoking a lot of russian armor in syria.
Seems like russia has too much time on its hands, so some saudi money could keep them occupied elsewhere.

But if you think logically you can spot propaganda BS.
That's a big "if" for some. ;) Down the road this will all be pretty well documented. I was just going over a lot of tweets and emails and someone's going to compile a lot of that, along with videos.

Speaking of which:



events in Ukraine caught the USA government totally off guard. This explains the whole slow reaction to the events (plus the Obama factor) -
that's not saying much--obama is a complete, clueless clown. Gov. Palin predicted this and romney predicted that vlady putin will be, well, the stereo typical criminal russian.

Russia has a lot less money than USA, but their propaganda machine is really powerful in the russian speaking space, and they are taking some serious steps in getting a powerful english language propaganda machine.
and the US has the liberal/progressives that hate the US and would like the US seriously damaged....then throw in the tin foil hat crowd that think the US is out to personally get them and that's a lot of 'western' people to spread the gospel of vlady the pig. They're called "useful idiots" in marxism/communism. The tinners are just idiots.


thanks for the link:

https://translate.google.com.ua/tra...=_t&hl=uk&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.ds.ru/ss1.htm
 
#522 ·
This one would pretty accurately describe the rest of Ukraine, my friend!
so from los angeles california you are telling someone in ukraine what it's like in ukraine?

Can you view any of the Russian channels...watch Russian TV with a satelite dish.
lmao!!! um yeah, he can find out what's happening in his own country by watching the state owned russian media. well i guess i just found out the source all of the mis/disinformation you post here. no wonder you wanted to keep it anonymous.......

did your russian tv show this?



person being dragged from his/her house probabably had nothing to fear...he led the way, just ask him if he shows up alive later.

no, nothing to fear.....
 
#490 ·
involved in the anti-Yanukovich protests and formation of the new government, so the "portrayal" of protesters as neo-nazis seems pretty accurate to me.
there were some of them, but definitely not all of them. Once the mix of demonstrators started getting the attacked by the thugs/govt/russians, more and more non-political ukranians saw what was going on and felt the same anger towards the corrupt russia loving govt, so they went down there in support of 'tossing the bum out'. Govt shut down channel 5 and there were protests spreading in other cities.

And something to consider--from what I've read about the right sector in ukraine, they seem to not want ukraine for anyone but ukranians, not russians, not europeans, not americans, not vietnamese, not nobody but ukranians.

Ukraine has the second largest immigration corridor in the world, US/mexico being number uno. In 2001, 11% of ukraine was foreign born and new data should be available soon. So throw in a crappy economy due to russia/corruption, immigration can cause problems, where ever the country is, be it the us, uk, france, etc. And that breeds the kind of nationalism that you are alluded to. but it's not the problem in ukraine, the russia/govt is/was.
 
#487 ·
Here is my take on what happened in Crimea:

Ukrainian opposition started a protest, that got out of hand. They had to use what they had, and the only organized and prepared force at the time were ultra-right organizations, like Svoboda had Right Sector. Now, those guys in no sense were the majority, but they were the most active and aggressive part of it. When opposition got the agreement with the president, those groups went out of control and refused to accept it. They surrounded the parliament and along with impeaching the goverment did something incredibly stupid - moved to repeal the official status of Russian language in the regions that mostly Russina speaking.

Crimea is the most Russian speaking area of the Ukraine. Ukraine stripped Crimea of their constitution in 1992, trashing the referendum they had at the time. As soon as Ukrainian govt showed any desire to go pro-west and nationalistic, the percentage of Crimean for joining Russia would grow, reaching 68% in 2008 - the result of 4 year rule of Yushenko and Timoshenko. The number started to go down during Yanukovych time, and grown back as soon as protests started in Kiev. Does not take a genius to see the first reaction of the people in Crimea, when new govt decided to strip the language the spoke for generations of its official status.

Russia of course foresaw this turn of event. All it had to do is to not allow Ukraine to use force to stop the secession movement. They blocked the peninsula, blocked Ukrainian TV channels, and started to show the idiots who wore Nazis symbols and called themselves Ukrainian nationalists. Those guys did not disappointed Russia's hopes, and were the best propaganda that could possible be. While I believe referendum for joining Russia would have been voted "yes" by the majority, making it as fast as possible (they moved it twice), while all the anti-nationalists emotions are high and not letting Ukrainian media to calm it down gave that high "yes" and very high turnout. Ofcourse, they had to cut some corners, like the making a law about local referendum and such, making the whole thing less legit then it should be.

Btw, Ukrainian government realized their mistake, and was talking about giving Crimea the autonomy they wanted in the second week of March, but nobody listened to them anymore.

So, Russia got Crimea, and Ukraine got everyone who attempted to protect it look stupid. Now the big boys needed a way to save the face. And Russia gave them that way. Aside from pushing Crimea to Russia's hand, Ukrainian government managed to split the country. Russia put military at the border, pro-Russian protests started to call for Russian troops - and US and NATO got a chance to say: Russia wanted to get the whole Ukraine, but we will not let it. It will only have Crimea. How many troops Russia had at the border? It depends.
220,000 on March 11,
100,000 couple days ago
50,000 2 days ago
40,000 1 day ago,
10,000 today (all the numbers according to Ukrainian sources)
But hey, NATO stopped Putin. Its a win for them!
Russia got Crimea - its a win for them to!
And Ukraine realized there is more than one nationality in the country.
 
#491 ·
Btw, I would love to hear conversations in Ukrainian ministry of defense, when they started to get reports from their bases being blocked.

- Hey, twentieth base in the last hour reports being block by some well organized, very polite, but unknown people.
- Tell our military not to do anything. May be those people mean good. Or may be it is Russia?
- We called Russia, they saying it is not them. And those people are polite.
- It may be some local gang or aliens. As long as they are polite, lets not interfere. I don't see a threat from unknown forces surrounding our bases on our soil.
 
#498 ·
from the bbc feeds:

18:39: Maxim Eristavi
tweets: While Independence square is burning and stun grenades are exploding, protesters are signing national anthem. It's like a doomsday.

18:43:
The protest camp in the heart of Kiev is reported to be engulfed in flames as police advance on protesters.

18:50:
During the day, at least nine people were killed, including two policemen, as protesters and security forces clashed in the worst violence in weeks

Johann Kwan
tweets: I just got a translation of the police megaphone. They're asking women and children to leave, as they're starting an anti-terror op.

Nataliya Gumenyuk

tweets: 5th channel - the biggest news channels which show the protest on TV shut down around the country
19:02:

A member of the security forces is seen on a roof, carrying a gun, during clashes with anti-government protesters in Kiev
Several tents pitched by anti-government protesters in Independence Square have been set on fire, according to images on Ukrainian television. Security forces are said to be circling the square in an apparent bid to clear the protesters.


David Stern BBC News, Kiev
tells BBC World this is a key moment for people in Ukraine. He says many people are scared of an escalation beyond what the country is seeing tonight. Although this does not necessarily mean a civil war - as previously suggested by some - Ukraine remains dangerously divided.

Olga, in Kiev,

emails: At the moment the police at the Independence Square in Kiev are announcing the start of what they call 'anti-terrorist operation'. Against more than 20,000 anti-government protesters - they are students, retired, men and women, who are just fighting for their right to live in a country, free of corruption and dictatorship. People keep coming to the main square despite the closed tube, they are scared, but they feel they have nothing to loose.

19:19:

Some 25,000 protestors remained on Independence Square after the expiry of the 18:00 local time (16:00 GMT) ultimatum to leave, according to news agency AFP.


19:41:

Ukrainian television presenter Artem Ovdiyenko has posted on Facebook saying that Ukraine's private news channel 5 Kanal TV is now only available on the internet.

"5 Kanal is now available only online, live broadcasting has been completely shut down across the country", he said.


email:
Ksenia, in Kiev

emails: All roads leading to Kiev are blocked by police to prevent more Ukrainians from joining the protests. The metro is still closed. It is impossible to get to the city centre by car. 5th channel - the channel which broadcasts the protests - has been blocked.

Gorshenin Institute

tweets: national anthem sung by protesters while being attacked by police and other detachments impresses


19:55:
Police have been coming under a hail of rocks thrown by protesters.


19:58:

Opposition leaders are addressing the protesters, urging them to remain in the square.

Dan Peleschuk

tweets: Defiant #euromaidan protesters belting heart-wrenching patriotic, wartime songs as fighting and flames rage around them.

20:27:

Several thousand protesters have seized the state regional administration building in the western Ukrainian city of Lviv, reports news agency Interfax.

20:29:

Opposition leader Vitali Klitschko has urged the protesters to defend the camp. "We will not go anywhere from here,'' Mr Klitschko told the crowd, speaking from a stage as fires burned around him. "This is an island of freedom and we will defend it,'' he said.

Breaking News

Attacks on government offices, police and the security service, SBU, are reported in several cities in western Ukraine, including Lviv, Ternopil and Ivano-Frankivsk, according to the opposition-supporting Fifth TV channel, which has been switched off across Ukraine and is available only on satellite and online.

Breaking News

At least 13 people are now believed to have been killed in the violence today. Police say six policemen have been shot dead.

Mike Pheonix, in Kiev,

emails: I'm an American living here 14 years. The situation is getting worse by the minute. BBC TV was cut off last week. Tonight channel 5 - The opposition network owned by Poreschenko had their TV and internet sites cut off. We fear a blood bath.

21:26:

Ukrainian opposition leader Vitali Klitschko has arrived at President Viktor Yanukovich's office for talks, Reuters quoted Mr Klitschko's spokeswoman as saying.
21:28:

Protesters have hurled petrol bombs at two armoured personnel carriers moving towards Independence Square, Reuters reports.
21:31:

President Yanukovych plans to make an address to the nation, according to pro-government MP Hanna Herman. She said there have been some meetings with the opposition but didn't give any details.



Nataliya Gumenyuk

tweets: stones, molotov cocktails are used by police as well. city is shut down, but people are ready to come. president silent. waiting for more

Christopher Miller

tweets: Much of city lights out in #Kyiv. Most of Maidan closed off by barricades. Lurking in only open side streets are titushki. Very dangerous.

5 Channel's Myroslava Petsa

tweets: Street light outage in central #Kyiv. Police shoot at #Euromaidan protesters with UV paint, making them easy targets in darkness

22:12:

Oksana Zinovieva, spokeswoman for Vitali Klitschko, says Mr Klitschko and Mr Yatsenyuk are still waiting to meet the president after almost an hour.


22:20:

Riot police have tried to charge into Independence Square but protesters resisted, according to reports.

22:21: max seddon

tweets: Multiple reports of explosions, gunshots at Maidan, renewed police attack on Kiev protesters
22:22:

Ukraine's Hromadske TV has aired live pictures of protesters escorting a captured riot policeman to Maidan's main stage.


Myroslava Petsa

tweets: Protesters capture a Berkut policeman. Man on #Euromaidan stage asks protesters to treat the captured with respect and dignity
22:37:

Former Ukrainian Foreign Minister Volodymyr Ohryzko has made an impassioned appeal for the US and EU to support the opposition, declaring that "'the policy of non-interference' of the EU and the US feels like an obvious betrayal", and warning that if they do not, they face "a real collapse of the European dream and a new terrifying East Asian Empire that will eventually swallow you". Calling for sanctions against those responsible, he demands to know, "What is now the price of the 'European dream'? Or should one ask Kremlin?"

Kyiv Post's Christopher Miller

tweets: Confirmed: Riot police on 6th floor of Trade Unions bldg. Got inside through 2nd floor window.

Maxim Tucker

tweets: The #Kiev trade union building, #euromaidan /opposition HQ for months, is now burning. Is #Ukraine 's government fighting fire with fire?
23:11:

The Ukrainian Health Ministry says that 221 people have required medical assistance and 114 have been taken to hospital in Kiev on Tuesday, says BBC Monitoring.


23:25:

Ukraine's Hromadske TV is showing dramatic pictures of people being rescued from the burning trade union building in Kiev's Independence Square.
23:26:

Ukraine's interior ministry says on their website that seven police officers have been killed.
23:43:

One of Ukraine's main protest leaders, Oleksandr Turchynov, says he was hit in the face by shrapnel while standing on the Maidan stage.

Kateryna Kruk,

tweets: boy has saved girl from house of trade unions, climbed a wall to get to her, ppl are shouting hero to him
23:45:

As flames engulf the trades union building, one of the last remaining opposition strongholds in the square, protest leaders on stage call on demonstrators to find groundsheets to help catch anyone who might have to jump from the building.

Maxim Eristavi,

tweets: Suddenly I'm cut off from Independence Sq.A line of what seems like riot-policemen on the way to the sq, shoot ppl who are trying 2 approach
23:51:

The head of the medical team in the protesters' main camp says 20 demonstrators have died during the day, according to Ukrainian Truth news website.

Christopher Miller,

tweets: Some protesters forced to jump from several floors up in Trade Unions bldg to safety. Protesters caught them using tents. #euromaidan

Moscow Correspondent for the Telegraph,

tweets: Watching people trying to punch their way out of top floor windows of burning protest hq trade union house. Horrific

00:25:

Vitaly Klitschko says opposition leaders have failed to reach agreement during talks with Mr Yanukovych. The president only called for protesters to leave the Maidan, Mr Klitschko is quoted as saying by Ukraine's Hromadske TV.
00:54:

A number of injured people during clashes are being treated in St Michael's Cathedral. Several dead bodies are also inside. The gold-domed cathedral famously rang its bells to call Kievites to defend the Maidan when the riot police tried to clear the camp last month.

01:08:

Fires continue to burn late into the night on the perimeter of the main protest camp in Kiev, the Maidan.

Ilya, in Kiev,

emails: It is just very bad! My friends and I want to live in a good country but the government doesn't want this, they have forgotten about the people and that is why they were elected. It is very sad for our country.
01:38:

Activists say big crowds of supporters are heading from western Ukraine and will join the protesters at Kiev's Maidan within hours.
01:47:

Two traffic officers have been shot dead by unknown gunmen in Kiev, the interior ministry says. It says another was seriously injured.
Maxim Eristavi, in Kiev,

tweets: The neighborhood around Independence Sq is patrolled by pro-govt thugs, I hear gun-shots time to time. That's a safari on protesters


02:02:

Dramatic pictures have emerged showing how some trapped activists climbed down from a burning building adjacent to the Maidan.

SOS Maidan website

tweets: "Maidan needs food. Simple and nutritious."
02:36:

More protesters' tents are burning now on the Maidan, amid reports that the police are launching a new assault.

Maxim Eristavi,

tweets: It's past 4AM in the Kyiv, the Independence Sq is still burning, clashes are on for almost 20 hours now
02:48:

The reported renewed police assault (see 02:36 entry) began shortly after 04:00 local time (02:00 GMT).

Arseniy Yatseniuk, opposition Fartherland party,

tweets: "Yanukovych has offered us actually to surrender. But people have the right to stand on the Maidan, and we will stand with the people."

03:39:

Ukraine's "We are Europeans" movement urges the country's Olympians at the Winter Games in Sochi, Russia, to stop competing to show solidarity with the protesters, Radio Liberty reports.

Euromaidan PR,

tweets: Near Instytutska Street militia and Berkut look very sleepy. Some of them are sleeping straight on the streets |PR News #Euromaidan #Kyiv

Paul, from Lviv,

emails: The government in our country keeps functioning mostly on an atmosphere of fear, special forces (paid thugs) and money from Putin.

05:15:

Ukrainian journalist Vyacheslav Veremiy has died in hospital after being beaten and shot by unknown attackers in Kiev, his colleagues say.
05:25:

This is one of the first morning pictures of the Maidan after the fierce overnight clashes.

Ihor Oleksiv, in Lviv,

emails: No more Yanukovich power in the city of Lviv. State administration, prosecutor's office, regional militia office are occupied by the protesters.
06:41:

Health ministry says that 241 people have been hospitalised, including 79 policemen and five journalists.
07:23:

A wall of smoke and flames rose into the dawn sky as the encampment of the protesters continued to burn, AFP reports, while lines of police and protesters - both clutching shields and wearing helmets and body armour - face off in an apocalyptic scene.

07:30:

Protesters, many of them masked and in battle fatigues, are pouring into Independent Square from different directions and preparing to take on police for a second straight day, Reuters says.
07:30:

The unrest has spread to at least three cities in the western part of the country, Reuters reports, quoting police sources. Protesters are reported to have seized the regional administration headquarters in the cities of Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv in addition to torching the main police station in the city of Ternopil.
07:45:

As priests intoned prayers from a stage on the part of the square still held by protesters, young men in hard-hats are constructing elbow and knee pads. Others were pouring inflammable liquid into bottles - apparently to be used as petrol bombs.
Viktor in Kiev

emails: We really need HELP here, it is unbelievable that people whose major duty is to protect people, beat them up instead. Police officers have rules, that they MUST follow, despite the hatred they feel towards people. Instead, they get awarded for beating and torturing people in many ways.

08:20:

The Trades Union building is pretty much gutted by fire. So no opposition HQ any more, The BBC's Daniel Sandford Tweets

08:42: Michael in Kiev,

emails: from an insider's point of view, I can tell you that there is no divide, just the government who are thugs, trying to stay in power by all means. They have no ideology behind them, no support, just slaves and mercenaries.
08:45:

Tuesday was Ukraine's worst day of violence in 70 years

10:38: Kateryna Kruk in Kiev

tweets: "God is with us, yes, God and truth are with us, that's why we'll survive and will win!"

10:47:

Acting Ukraine Defence Minister Pavlo Lebedyev tells the Leviy Bereg website that airborne troops have been sent from Dnipropetrovsk to Kiev "to reinforce the guarding of the bases where weapons are kept, as well as the arms depots".
10:49:

Protesters in western Ukraine have seized the Trans-Carpathian region regional administration, according to the UNIAN news agency
10:51:

Two Ukrainian female skiers have failed to appear for their semi-final at the Sochi Olympics today, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN reports. Marina Lisogor and Katerina Serdyuk were due to compete in the women's cross-country skiing Team Sprint Classic semi-finals.

11:16: BBC Correspondent, Duncan Crawford,

reporting live from Kiev he said the plumes of black smoke rising in Independence Square had been caused by tyres that had been set alight. He described the area as a "battle-zone" and said that there were "clashes still taking place sporadically" and that there was "no sign these clashes will die down".
11:18:

Ukraine, a sprawling nation of 46 million people with an ailing economy and endemic corruption has become the object of a geopolitical tug-of-war between Moscow and the West, Reuters comments. "That was played out in hand-to-hand fighting through the night, lit by blazing barricades on Kiev's Independence Square."

Kurt, Kiev

emails: As an American in Kiev, ordinary Ukrainians are angry as opposition seem to push the current government too far initiating violence for unmet demands causing disruption in daily life in Kiev (whole metro system closed).

11:39:

Polish border guard service says Ukrainian opposition protesters are blocking access at the border crossing between the village of Korczowa in Poland and Ukraine, Reuters has reported.

11:51:

Anti-government protesters have broken into the police headquarters in the main city in western Ukraine, Lvov, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN reports. Activists told the agency that they had released all prisoners held in the building. The police are apparently not intervening and are removing technical equipment. In Ivano-Frankivsk, south of Lvov, protesters have seized the regional police directorate, the headquarters of the security service and the prosecutor's office, according to UNIAN.

12:19: Statement from Ukraine Olympic athletes

posted on their national Olympic committee website: "We are shocked by the events that occurred yesterday in Kiev.

"We are thinking about our families and loved ones back home in Ukraine, and we are doing our best to honour them on the fields of play here in Sochi. "We also deeply mourn and express our sincere condolences on the death of our fellow Ukrainians."

12:51:

UPDATE: A total of 263 protesters and 342 police officers are currently in hospital, most of them with gunshot wounds, Ukraine's acting Health Minister Rayusa Bohatyryova says, according to Interfax-Ukraine news agency - BBC Monitoring


Philip Larmett in Kiev

emails: Kiev is a city under siege. The main roads into the city are all blocked at strategic points. Traffic in the city is being diverted around the centre. The metro has not been operating since 5pm yesterday, when the police assault on the protestors began. Lviv, Ternopil and other regional capitals have joined the uprising. Many government buildings and police stations have been occupied. The whole of western Ukraine is no longer under control.

13:02: BREAKING:

Three people wounded as security forces open fire at protesters outside the Security Service building in Khmelnytskyy, western Ukraine, Den newspaper website reports. One of them, a middle-aged woman, reportedly died in hospital, says local website Ye.ua - BBC Monitoring.

13:38: Max Seddon

tweets: Ukrainian opposition HQ says a fresh police attack on Maidan is planned for 6 p.m.
 
#499 ·
politicians sell out, make deals. the people were looking for a leader at this moment....and one stepped up. History.

Did this young man give the speech that started the Ukrainian revolution?

A young man who seized a microphone from grandstanding politicians has been hailed as an unsung hero of the Ukrainian uprising.

Volodymyr Parasiuk, 26, is being praised for his dramatic intervention some say helped turn the tide against Viktor Yanukovych and forced the ex-president to flee.

Former army cadet Mr Parasiuk addressed the crowds in Kiev’s Independence Square after opposition politicians revealed they had done a deal with Yanukovych.

He declared: ‘Our kinsmen have been shot and our leaders shake hands with this killer. This is shame. Tomorrow, by ten o’clock, he has to be gone.’

Two of the three main opposition leaders left the stage after he spoke.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/25/did-t...hat-started-the-ukrainian-revolution-4320435/
(Reuters) - When the history of the bloody turbulence in Ukraine is written, a 26-year-old who learned combat skills in the army cadets may be recorded as the man who made up Viktor Yanukovich's mind to cut and run.

But after opposition leaders had signed an EU-brokered deal with President Yanukovich to end the conflict, it was Parasiuk who commandeered the microphone on Friday night to turn the crowd against it.

With former boxing champion and opposition leader Vitaly Klitschko looking on stony-faced, Parasiuk, from the western city of Lviv, made an electrifying impromptu speech denouncing the opposition for "shaking hands with this killer".

No-one was going to wait for an election later in the year, he said. Yanukovich had to get out of town by the following morning or face the consequences.

To the dismay of opposition leaders, Parasiuk's emotional address - he broke down on several occasions as he remembered dead comrades - touched a chord deep within the thousands on Independence Square who roared their approval.

"Emotions were overflowing because we had lost a great number of people. Suddenly these politicians come and say 'Yanukovich will stay as president and there will be elections.' I have a clear position. Yanukovich is a terrorist, Terrorist Number One, for Ukraine," Parasiuk said.

Ukraine's opposition, buoyed by the direct intervention of three EU ministers from Germany, Poland and France, had signed an agreement that seemed to meet many of their demands.
[the evil fascists/nazis did not want this, remember?]

Klitschko and other opposition leaders had already spoken of their achievements in putting a deal together.

But there was a mixed reception from the Maidan. Booing, whistling and cat-calls gave Parasiuk his cue.

As the crowds carried open coffins of victims to the stage where he and opposition leaders stood, Parasiuk, his voice breaking, jumped to the microphone.

"We ordinary people are saying this to the politicians who stand behind us: 'No Yanukovich is going to be a president for a whole year'," he said to roars of support from the crowd.

"Our kinsmen have been shot and our leaders shake hands with this killer. This is shame. Tomorrow, by 10 o'clock, he has to be gone," Parasiuk declared.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-ukraine-crisis-hero-insight-idUSBREA1O0JT20140225

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cpyRwl-ZU

history baby...the criminal pigs from russia are still wanting to have their berlin wall, but these days it's an invisible dog fence of economic controls and if need be, military invasions, murders, beatings until their property gets back under their control.
 
#500 ·
warning--graphic vid.

also note, these are NOT the boogeymen fascists/nazis that the lapdogs are babbling about in their apologizing and discrediting.
These people you're seeing being shot down very well could be you if you had the balls these people did in protesting their corrupt, criminal government.
And note, as you see here, if anything like this ever happens to you, not everyone you knew before may not be on your side, especially if they are a great distance away from what's going on.



pretty clear as to who is doing the shooting again (probably fled with their new gear to russia). the new constitution they're drawing up, the ukranians want a second amendment in it, like america has, and not one like russia has pretty much banning firearms from anyone not in putin's party or other criminals. Sucks to be unarmed.

 
#503 ·
looks like ol vlady the pig will now look at "rehabilitation" of the native tartars of crimea. hope it's not one of the usual 'work camps' or 're-education camps'.....

MOSCOW: Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday promised a top Tatar official in Russia he would consider rehabilitation for the Crimean Tatars, a painful issue for a people deported under Stalin.
...
Minnikhanov, who has travelled to Crimea after its annexation by Russia, asked Putin to consider the Crimean Tatars a “repressed people” subject to rehabilitation under an earlier Russian law.
...
“It would be nice if the Crimean Tatars were considered... under the 1991 law,” Minnikhanov said. “It would be serious moral support to the Crimean Tatars.”

The Crimean Tatars, native inhabitants of the peninsula that was annexed by Russia last month, spent decades in Central Asia after Joseph Stalin ordered their banishment, ostensibly for Nazi collaboration.

They were allowed to move back in the late 1980s. But Ukraine never adopted the bill to rehabilitate the people, and Crimean Tatars are still battling with issues of land ownership, among others.

[ source: trust me, I just know some people there ]

OK..... laughter over, the source is:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1097133/putin-to-consider-tatar-rehabilitation
 
#504 ·
a continuar.....

Russian propaganda over Crimea and the Ukraine: how does it work?

Vladimir Putin has put boots in the ground – over the airwaves, he is taking the west on a tour of the propagandist’s playbook

Win the “information war” *, as one Russian MP calls it, and you can gain the upper hand without ever firing a shot.

1. Muzzle the press
Page one isn’t too original, but it’s proven. Vladimir Putin’s Kremlin has been silencing independent voices one at a time for months, effectively dismantling the press.

2. Rebrand the revolution

Putin, for whom recent events in Kiev have been not only unfavorable but a threat, wants to rebrand history in such a way that it protects him. To that end, a constant theme spouting from Russian sources has been the Ukrainian revolution’s alliance with “fascists” – a vague word that’s become a catchall for anti-Semites, terrorists, insurgents, anarchists and thugs.

3. Sound furious, signify nothing

Skewed facts, half-truths, misinformation and rumors all work in the propagandist’s favor. By playing up a law that would diminish the Russian language’s official status, Kiev looks like it’s persecuting Russian speakers (though the vetoed bill does not ban Russian).

4. Bend the rules

When talking about Ukraine, Putin has insisted that Russia will have a security presence until the situation “normalizes”, though he hasn’t said what constitutes an acceptable “normal”.

5. Follow your script

By spreading talk of fascists, of gangs of unknown armed men, of coups and self-determination and persecution – while sending armed men into Ukraine, egging on real and staged protests, bribing politicians and blocking the media – the Kremlin is enacting and realizing its propaganda on the ground.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/17/crimea-crisis-russia-propaganda-media
classic....simple. and the useful idiots continue to imbibe at the trough.....


* the "information war" stated by the russian mp.

5.23pm GMT

A former boxer, astronaut and figure skater, all now high-profile members of the Russian parliament, were dispatched to Sevastopol on Thursday.

“This is an information war. We flew into this heroic city of Sevastopol to personally support residents and learn the situation on the inside,” the former boxer, Nikolai Valuyev, wrote on Twitter. “I arrived in Sevastopol to support residents of Crimea. Friends, Russia is with you!”

[from his twitter account:
https://twitter.com/NickValuev/status/438995411383377920 ]
 
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