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Old 04-09-2019, 04:03 PM
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Around $1500 for spray and pray that starts bullet tumble in under 20’.... not something I would buy.
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That's been out for awhile now, and Military Arms Channel did a serious review on it a little while ago.

Bottom line, starts keyholing after a very short range due to the lack of rifling. But the worst part is that the keyholing bullets couldn't make it all the way through his 3 inch thick rubber dummy target at 100 yards.

Conclusion: NOT LETHAL at 100 yards!


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I can appreciate the innovation to work around the regulations that are stupid anyways, but a lot of key-holing, even at close distances. Likely more fun than effective. While you can empty a magazines quickly with the binary trigger, it's much more effective with controlled pairs. I also have no need to purchase something like this, but the more of "these" types that hit the market, the better it is to show the idiocy of the previous machinegun/short barrel rifle/shotgun bans...

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Sooo..... you can have this with a stock, and its a "firearm", you can have a "pistol" with a brace, and can now shoulder it, so why cant we have a plain old AR with the same barrel lengths with a standard stock? WHATS THE FRIGGIN DIFFERENCE?

Seems to me, we are basically discussing the same thing, just some minor variations and massaging of definitions, so why is this even a discussion? Seems to me, any first-year law student should be able to get the SBR BS repealed.

So where is the NRA on this? Youd think they'd want to be the heroes and show some actual progress for a change.

Seems like the ATF is more and more just shooting itself in the foot with all its regulation flip-flopping, yet no one who is supposed to be at the forefront of fighting for gun rights, seems to think its worth pursuing. WTF! over.

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With all the videos showing the accuracy & down range power of pistol length AR's, I think I'd rather have a 7.5 -10.5 inch AR -15 pistol or a 10-12 inch AR-10 pistol.

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You can get all the same effects by burning piles of dollar bills, and you won't lose more when the ATF rewrites the definition of "rifling"
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I'd rather have this for about 1/2 the price
SPETS-12 $899
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I dont care if it lobs bon bons at 25mph. As long as it ****es the abc idiots and the gun grabbers off.
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