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Old 11-20-2019, 06:26 PM
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So...this means NOTHING to you?

Sondland admitted to Jordan that President Trump told him straight out:
"I WANT NO QUID PRO QUO. I DON"T WANT ANYTHING. JUST TELL ZELENSKY TO DO THE RIGHT THING. TO DO WHAT HE RAN ON."


I mean...he's literally saying THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO.
And you people think that means Trump is guilty?

Seriously?

That's insane.

He said that AFTER he found out about the whistleblower complaint.

He said that ONLY once he had been CAUGHT.

Before he got caught he said: “talk to Rudy”

Rudy said everything is contingent on the Ukrainians publicly saying they will open an investigation on Biden’s

Like a mob boss, he will not directly tell you to do something illegal. He’ll tell you to talk to someone else who will tell you to do the thing.

Rudy, like Cohen before him, is the fall guy.
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What you and the political operative purposely failed to mention or don't care care to acknowledge is that Trump made those statements AFTER he found out about the whistleblower.
I have a sneaky suspicion there is no whistleblower, and that when this house of cards does fall apart, someone will be duly appointed as the whisteblower (aka the fall guy).

Schiff is lying through his teeth.
How can he say he doesn't know who the whistleblower is, yet stop someone from answering a question because it would reveal the whistleblower???
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Ms.Cooper and Mr. Morrison have contradicted each other.

Ms. Cooper stated the Javelins (FMS) mentioned in the transcript were part of the aid held back.

Mr. Morrison stated the aid package did NOT include FMS, only FMF.

Which is it?
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He is a propagandist.

His threads always have talking-point titles and are full of specific propaganda key-phrases.

I would not be surprised if he is a Russian agent.

Incidentally, “batko” means “big brother” in Russian.
Agree, 4,500 posts in 3 years is a big red flag.
But when people feed the trolls they just keep on posting.
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He said that AFTER he found out about the whistleblower complaint.

He said that ONLY once he had been CAUGHT.

Before he got caught he said: “talk to Rudy”

Rudy said everything is contingent on the Ukrainians publicly saying they will open an investigation on Biden’s

Like a mob boss, he will not directly tell you to do something illegal. He’ll tell you to talk to someone else who will tell you to do the thing.

Rudy, like Cohen before him, is the fall guy.
and again, you know this because you were right there when it happened right?
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My Russian may need some work, but batko does mean big brother in my native language. I figured it’s meaning was identical in Russian, as many words are.

What’s wrong with employing talking points is that they are designed to try to alter reality to fit an agenda.

For instance:

The impeachment is not a house of cards. The underlying cause (the substantive claims of the whistleblower) have been proven and verified by multiple witnesses, under oath.
That is far from a house of cards.

And to say it is collapsing, is beyond wishful thinking, and well into alternate reality.

Of course, the trumpanzees lap it up like hungry little piggies because it feeds their need for an alternate reality where Trump didn’t commit impeachable offenses.
He clearly did. He admitted it himself, provided proof himself via the call memorandum, and now the only avenue left is to create an alternate reality into which to escape.
and so too did the testimony of the Russian Collusion Hoax perpetrated by the Deep State so what makes this any different, same players just a different lie
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and again, you know this because you were right there when it happened right?
I know this because I actually listened to the testimony.
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I know this because I actually listened to the testimony.
what? wait!!!! You can't be implying that the people under oath can't lie can you? I mean they did it during the Russian collusion hoax, what makes this any different. Same Deep State, Different hoax, different lies. That's all it is.
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what? wait!!!! You can't be implying that the people under oath can't lie can you? I mean they did it during the Russian collusion hoax, what makes this any different. Same Deep State, Different hoax, different lies. That's all it is.
You aren’t very informed. When you remain ignorant BY CHOICE, you can easily be fooled.

The timeline is known.

The “no quid pro quo” call between trump and Sondland happened AFTER the whistleblower complaint was filed.

Just listen to the hearings for yourself. You don’t have to consume someone’s drivel and propaganda. That includes me. Listen for yourself. Make your own mind up.
But don’t argue easily demonstrable facts.
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You aren’t very informed. When you remain ignorant BY CHOICE, you can easily be fooled.

The timeline is known.

The “no quid pro quo” call between trump and Sondland happened AFTER the whistleblower complaint was filed.

Just listen to the hearings for yourself. You don’t have to consume someone’s drivel and propaganda. That includes me. Listen for yourself. Make your own mind up.
But don’t argue easily demonstrable facts.
so when Sondland said that the president said he didn't want quid pro qo, he was lying? Is that what you are saying?
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so when Sondland said that the president said he didn't want quid pro qo, he was lying? Is that what you are saying?
Re-read my previous posts. I went over this already.

Before the whistleblower, Trump told Sondland: “talk to Rudy“

After the whistleblower, Trump told Sondland: “no quid pro quo, I want nothing.”


What did Rudy say to Sondland:

We want quid pro quo. Announce investigations into the Biden’s or no aid and no meeting.

That’s why Sondland said that his impression was that there was quid pro quo, but trump never outright said it directly to Sondland.

Is this too complicated to follow?
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Apparently, during the first 10 minute break right after the Dims questioned Sondland Schiff and his cronies held a press conference in the hall and announced to the press that "we got 'em!"

Well, as CNN was running a headline proclaiming President Trump's downfall, the rock stars of the Republican congress turned the whole thing upside down with a series of questions that finally got to the truth.

Sondland admitted to Jordan that President Trump told him straight out:
"I WANT NO QUID PRO QUO. I DON"T WANT ANYTHING. JUST TELL ZELENSKY TO DO THE RIGHT THING. TO DO WHAT HE RAN ON."







Problem: trump’s statement was on sept 9th. The media had already broke story in late Aug. whistleblower had already filed compliant at least a month prior. So, wth do you think he was gonna say. Yes of course I want a quid pro qou when soland ask what do you want in Ukraine. And of course the military aid was release eventually after the fact. After the whistleblower already filed his complaint. It’s call cover. Sorry Basis is weak...
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even if trump was withholding funds in exchange for ukraine doing their job, i have no problem with it.. there is clearly some very real ties between burisma, biden, and that of corruption, as evident with the indictments already made.. dems are just ****y they got caught

what they are basically doing right now, is trying to run the narrative that because they are politicians, they are above the law and cannot be investigated for clear crimes
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Re-read my previous posts. I went over this already.

Before the whistleblower, Trump told Sondland: “talk to Rudy“

After the whistleblower, Trump told Sondland: “no quid pro quo, I want nothing.”


What did Rudy say to Sondland:

We want quid pro quo. Announce investigations into the Biden’s or no aid and no meeting.

That’s why Sondland said that his impression was that there was quid pro quo, but trump never outright said it directly to Sondland.

Is this too complicated to follow?
You obviously do not understand what I am getting at,These ass clowns have got up there and lied before, or do you not remember the Russian collusion hoax. What in the hell makes you think I would believe them this time. As I said, if Trump broke the law then impeach him with formal charges if not move on and do the god damned job that you were payed to do instead of committing fraud after fraud against the American people. This is just another attempt for them to not earn their paychecks that they have so faithfully collected since the election, It is high time they get off of their asses and work for America instead of trying to overthrow our government, If they can't then they need to pay back every cent they have collected from the American people pronto with interest, because they have not lifted one finger to do their jobs.
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It's interesting how the Republicans asked Vindman why he wore his uniform to the hearing, like there was something wrong with that. They should be ashamed. They never asked Oliver North.

I would be ashamed to be a GOP supporter.
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You obviously do not understand what I am getting at,These ass clowns have got up there and lied before, or do you not remember the Russian collusion hoax. What in the hell makes you think I would believe them this time. As I said, if Trump broke the law then impeach him with formal charges if not move on and do the god damned job that you were payed to do instead of committing fraud after fraud against the American people. This is just another attempt for them to not earn their paychecks that they have so faithfully collected since the election, It is high time they get off of their asses and work for America instead of trying to overthrow our government, If they can't then they need to pay back every cent they have collected from the American people pronto with interest, because they have not lifted one finger to do their jobs.
You keep repeating this right wing illusion that there was no Russian collusion (see what I did there?)

The FBI, the CIA, the state department, and both houses of congress, republicans and democrats all have affirmed and signed their names that Russia DID meddle, they DID it to help Trump get elected, and the Trump campaign DID coordinate with the Russians, including feeding them internal poll data so that the Russians could target specific swing districts with laser like precision and bombard them with propaganda.
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It's interesting how the Republicans asked Vindman why he wore his uniform to the hearing, like there was something wrong with that. They should be ashamed. They never asked Oliver North.

I would be ashamed to be a GOP supporter.
Trump is an ethics, logic, and intelligence tests rolled into one.

To be a supporter, you have to fail all three.
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You keep repeating this right wing illusion that there was no Russian collusion (see what I did there?)

The FBI, the CIA, the state department, and both houses of congress, republicans and democrats all have affirmed and signed their names that Russia DID meddle, they DID it to help Trump get elected, and the Trump campaign DID coordinate with the Russians, including feeding them internal poll data so that the Russians could target specific swing districts with laser like precision and bombard them with propaganda.
then why was there no impeachment from that? If what you claim is true then they obviously would not have stopped the impeachment process.
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Because a nothing burger come with fries but no impeachment...
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