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Old 11-21-2019, 08:52 PM
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do you have anything to back any of that up at all? or is it just a feeling?
In WWII the Germans were surrendering in the thousands on the Western Front and making the Russians fight for every inch as they attacked from the east. Lots of books written on the subject. The Germans kept fighting the Russians because the Russians wanted payback for how the Germans treated them when they invaded Russia.
That's a double example of why prisoners should be allowed to surrender, and then be treated humanely. Simple question, would you rather feed them some beans and rice or have them launching suicide attacks against you?
The idea of posing beside an enemy corpse like it was some kind of trophy was stupid, but then publicizing the photo should have gotten the idiot a unpaid vacation in Leavenworth. Now Captain Bonespur is telling the Seals how to do their job.
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:58 PM
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Really, you can't use WW2 in Europe as an example, since none of the combatants were musloids.
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Really, you can't use WW2 in Europe as an example, since none of the combatants were musloids.
Why not? It clearly shows what happens if you don't allow people to surrender but will kill them wherever you find them. You're leaving them with 2 options: die whatever you do, or fight and have a small chance to live. You're saying they're animals who will fight to the death, but also don't give them any other option.

Again, it's not a political or religious thing (though those things can influence it of course, the more fanatical you get), but a human nature thing. If someone would say you need to die, and they'll kill you wherever you are, and will kill/torture you when surrendering, what would your reaction be? Say "ok, guess i'll die", or fight for the one chance you have, even if there's an entire army descending on your location?
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In WWII the Germans were surrendering in the thousands on the Western Front and making the Russians fight for every inch as they attacked from the east. Lots of books written on the subject. The Germans kept fighting the Russians because the Russians wanted payback for how the Germans treated them when they invaded Russia.
That's a double example of why prisoners should be allowed to surrender, and then be treated humanely. Simple question, would you rather feed them some beans and rice or have them launching suicide attacks against you?
The idea of posing beside an enemy corpse like it was some kind of trophy was stupid, but then publicizing the photo should have gotten the idiot a unpaid vacation in Leavenworth. Now Captain Bonespur is telling the Seals how to do their job.
Your knowledge of history apparently is rather limited. The Euro experience with Russians/Slavs/etc did not start in 1940. Know anything about the US mil (including the Seals)?
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Old 11-22-2019, 05:56 PM
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My best friend piloted F15's in Afghanistan. …....
SO WHAT. I'll bet you also, on Nov 11, look for vets to parrot "thanks for your service" while your contribution was diddly squat (other than drinking beer and chasing cheap women).
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Old 11-22-2019, 06:11 PM
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Not sure all these were good..folks are making it seem like all these guys were done dirty by obama friendly high ranking officers trying to score political points but Lorance was a fresh Lt in command for two days in Afghanistan before his incident and it was the enlisted men under his command that were the ones that turned him in and testified against him.

Here's a quote from one of his commanding officers.

“The tragedy of pardoning Lorance isn’t that he will be released from prison — I’ve found room for compassion there,” said Patrick Swanson, a former Army captain who was Lieutenant Lorance’s company commander in Afghanistan. “The tragedy is that people will hail him as a hero, and he is not a hero. He ordered those murders. He lied about them.”
Must have been one heck of a weak useless CO. Must have also been a weak 1st Sgt in that Co.

And YES Obumer purged the US Army of any senior officers that didn't kiss his butt. Then replaced the with political sycophants. End up with chicks in Ranger School and Combat Arms. Unfortunately no one has help Pres Trump with a repair job. As in the Whitehouse and Exec Branch hordes of backstabbing Obamatards are still sucking at the gov't trough. Mass corrective action should have been Job 2.
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This kind of thing makes me wonder whether the eventual military coup will come from the Left,
Ordinarily I would jump on against such a statement. I think because we stay too long in nations we might have originally had good reasons for fighting. Plus, because we have an all volunteer military resulting in so few meeting their obligation to serve. We have a military increasingly resenting their roll in nation building. Couple all that with career State Department control over foreign affairs willing to put our troops at risk so they can live out their career and philosophical chess game.

I do believe the military is increasingly becoming sick of the lip-service given a Memorial Day and Veterans Day. Even I hate getting a pat on the back from a stranger saying "thanks for you service."

It is like a by-stander coming up to the guy a gang just beat up while he watched saying, thinks for the show.

So in that context you might be right.
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Old 11-22-2019, 10:02 PM
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State Dept. has needed cleaning with a firehose since the Roosevelt administration.

Just sayin'.

I'm sure there's still plenty of patriotism among the rank and file, but it's officers who organize coups.
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Old 11-23-2019, 03:46 AM
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This is true..... For SOME cultures

Others will not respond to anything less than total domination.


It took me sometime to learn that:
"Not everyone thinks like us"


Example:
If you ask an Arab to help you do something TO HELP HIM... You will have to bribe him.

A Kurd: ask for his help and stand back.

Different cultures act differently.
Generalizing a culture based on your opinions is the dumbest mistake you can make. Real life isn't a TV show or some fat draft dodger who claims to be an expert in exchange for an inflated salary.
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Old 11-23-2019, 05:01 AM
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Just LOOK who's talking. !!!
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IMO we go to war to eliminate the threat to the USA and NATO. Then we come home. If the people of those countries are too dumb to establish a civilized state for themselves too bad.

You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. It is time we learned people that want to be free fight for themselves to be free. If the people of a country do not wish to be civilized we cannot make them. Afghanistan has never hand a population that wanted to be civilized.

I have come to believe, establishing a State Department is the dumbest thing our government has ever done.
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Old 11-23-2019, 11:13 AM
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SO WHAT. I'll bet you also, on Nov 11, look for vets to parrot "thanks for your service" while your contribution was diddly squat (other than drinking beer and chasing cheap women).
I was asked if I had any family/friends that were in Afghanistan and was responding to that question. Squeeze those two braincells together and try better next time.
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Old 11-24-2019, 03:32 AM
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Military Justice is NOT about Justice(not it's sole function) and is nothing like the Civilian Legal System. It is "to promote to assist in maintaining good order and discipline in the armed forces, to promote efficiency and effectiveness in the military establishment, and thereby to strengthen the national security of the United States."

There are three schools of thought on this subject. 1. The President as CinC has the right to determine if Justice is being served.(regardless of possible repercussions) and due to the situation surrounding the nature of the "crimes" his decision is the right thing to do.
2. Even though the President has the AUTHORITY to pardon anyone. The possible repercussions on "good order and discipline" his pardons is the wrong thing to do.
3. Murdering, raping, baby killing soldiers should all be in prison on life sentences for killing the enemies of our country.(Policies of "see number one.")
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Really, you can't use WW2 in Europe as an example, since none of the combatants were musloids.
Just as an FYI, there were muzzies fighting on the side of the Nazis. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met with Adolph Hitler and sent Muslim troops to support the Germans. Muslim Persia also supported the Nazi German Reich. The country changed its name from Persia to Iran (literally "Aryan" in Farsi) in the 1930s.

THE GRAND MUFTI OF JERUSALEM MEETS WITH HITLER
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THE GRAND MUFTI OF JERUSALEM REVIEWS MUSLIM TROOPS IN GERMANY
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Old 11-24-2019, 08:01 AM
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*Yawn* is there anybody older than 12 that doesn't know that? Had no impact whatever on the war in Europe.
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Old 11-24-2019, 11:07 AM
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Generalizing a culture based on your opinions is the dumbest mistake you can make. Real life isn't a TV show or some fat draft dodger who claims to be an expert in exchange for an inflated salary.


Did Clinton really do that?
I thought he waited to leave office before he began raking his foundation.
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Old 11-24-2019, 12:10 PM
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*Yawn* is there anybody older than 12 that doesn't know that? Had no impact whatever on the war in Europe.
I think you'd be surprised how many people don't have a clue about this. Hundreds of Jews rounded up and sent to concentration camps by 6500 members of the 21st Waffen Mountain Division and as many as 17,000 members of the 13th Waffen Mountain Division. The Serbs say thousands of their people were killed by these muslim divisions. Blood feuds last forever in the Balkans and both sides have committed atrocities since the Ottoman invasions.
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