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Old 11-22-2019, 05:33 PM
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DON'T CARE about how "neat" a mag loading shotgun may look or the idea, but as I said, just not practical when you consider the speed you can run a semi in today's world.

My competition gun was an EARLY Benelli M1 Super 90. How early? It came with H&K markings on it.
9 ball 00 buck.
In 8 pin tournaments I used to run around 3 seconds. That is 8 controlled aimed shots on 8 pins.(or.. well.. 8 really quick flash shots as you are swinging the gun that you have run literally HUNDREDS of cases of buck through.) That is 72- .32 caliber balls whistling down range much faster than any subgun can run to put the same number down range.
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how much speed reloading does anyone really see as a necessity at the receiving end?

If you are looking to repel hundreds of hostiles.. or even 20 or 30, you need a different tool.

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Early on in competition I acquired ANOTHER Super 90 I found that was only a few hundred numbers apart from my comp gun. I bought it NIB for a back up gun for when I had a problem with gun 1....
Fast forward 14 years... I was getting out of competition and decided to sell Benelli number 2. It was STILL NIB.

Benelli number 1- mid to high 5 digit numbers of slug and 00 buck run through it(maybe more, no way to figure after all the years.). NEVER malfunctioned or broke a part or ever stopped running. Don't ask my why. In one afternoon I had several team and individual events to run and went through a full case of 00 and never left the line. I carried cans of gun scrubber, not to clean it but to cool it down so I could handle it. I wore a PAST shoulder pad and a PAST left padded glove so my hand wouldn't get eaten by the forearm checkering and the HEAT. At the end of the day I went to clean it and the sludge in the action was so thick is was built up like frosting on a store bought birthday cake.
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DON'T CARE about how "neat" a mag loading shotgun may look or the idea, but as I said, just not practical when you consider the speed you can run a semi in today's world.

My competition gun was an EARLY Benelli M1 Super 90. How early? It came with H&K markings on it.
9 ball 00 buck.
In 8 pin tournaments I used to run around 3 seconds. That is 8 controlled aimed shots on 8 pins.(or.. well.. 8 really quick flash shots as you are swinging the gun that you have run literally HUNDREDS of cases of buck through.) That is 72- .32 caliber balls whistling down range much faster than any subgun can run to put the same number down range.
that said
how much speed reloading does anyone really see as a necessity at the receiving end?

If you are looking to repel hundreds of hostiles.. or even 20 or 30, you need a different tool.

Additional Benelli story..
Early on in competition I acquired ANOTHER Super 90 I found that was only a few hundred numbers apart from my comp gun. I bought it NIB for a back up gun for when I had a problem with gun 1....
Fast forward 14 years... I was getting out of competition and decided to sell Benelli number 2. It was STILL NIB.

Benelli number 1- mid to high 5 digit numbers of slug and 00 buck run through it(maybe more, no way to figure after all the years.). NEVER malfunctioned or broke a part or ever stopped running. Don't ask my why. In one afternoon I had several team and individual events to run and went through a full case of 00 and never left the line. I carried cans of gun scrubber, not to clean it but to cool it down so I could handle it. I wore a PAST shoulder pad and a PAST left padded glove so my hand wouldn't get eaten by the forearm checkering and the HEAT. At the end of the day I went to clean it and the sludge in the action was so thick is was built up like frosting on a store bought birthday cake. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif[/IMG]
I can see a semi auto or even a pump shotgun being valuable for crowd control esp at medium distances.
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I can see a semi auto or even a pump shotgun being valuable for crowd control esp at medium distances.
AT SOME of the competitions we had slug events where you were shooting steel KD targets out to 110yds. The energy out of a slug at that range is still AWESOME; when I saw the same targets get hit with full .7.62 loads and just wiggle.

Taking your time to concentrate on the sights you could hold maybe foot size groups at 200 just using the irons. For those events I saw a lot of guys running 1100Remmys with LONG rifled slug bbls and those guns would shoot pretty tight. Like shooting a BIG bore rifle without it costing $10. a round.
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I have a Remington with the magazine, DM series. It holds only 6 rounds, Mossbergs are 10. I passed up a Shockwave with the magazine at a show, the $$ was right. The Remington ran me over $500.

I picked up 3 spare mags for it, may add another 3. That one sits in a case by the foot of my bed.
I think both the shockwave and tac-14 have a magazine version.

That kinda confused me

Thought the whole point of them was to be a compact unit?
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Remington follows-up in short order
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