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Old 07-22-2019, 10:39 AM
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I have been looking at different fighting styles and dim-mak seems to be the most effective it would be greatly appreciated you guys and gals be willing to share your knowledge abought what fighting style is best.
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After intelligence and situational awareness there are many good fighting styles. Krav Maga, jiu-jitsu, Russian sambo, muay thai, etc. I have learned much from aikido & judo as well as good old American wrestling. There is no one style that is completely superior to another. It is however okay to learn one style, then start learning another, then another. Mixed martial arts provides a lot of different tools for a lot of different situations.
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Pick one good striking martial art and one good grappling/ground fighting martial art.

Muay Thai/Boran and jiu-jitsu pair really well together, and Muay Thai also looks cool when you're fighting.
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Gun-foo....?
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LOL, "Dim-Mak".

Oh sorry, I see you area youth member.

I think Dim Mak is a sort of a fantasy no? "Death Touch"

Jean Claude Van Damme - Bloodsport.

I believe in the Chi having done a fair amount of Tai Chi, but I don't think you can just blow someone's Chi out like a candle and kill them.

Yes, a strike to the solar plexus or liver or kidney can disable you for a time as most people already know. Hit hard enough, of course can kill, but that departs from the term "touch"

But the concept of a light touch that kills? I am a doubter.

Although I could be wrong.

I would vote that kung fu is the most effective. and brutal. I took it for a while when I was younger and quit because it was too brutal for me to want to pollute my mind with. Pretty much every move results in death and dismemberment.
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Biased, but boxing.

Applicable anywhere and even if you don't throw a punch, the movement and conditioning you will have will serve you with a weapon in hand etc.

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I have been looking at different fighting styles and dim-mak seems to be the most effective it would be greatly appreciated you guys and gals be willing to share your knowledge abought what fighting style is best.
where are you reading about dim mak? As think it is BS pressure point magic system.
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most traditional martial arts ( karate, kung fu, aikido, etc) arent very good because they dont do enough pressure testing of techniques. There are also a lot of techniques that are showy but not useful in a fight. You spend a lot of time learning complex sequences and not enough time fighting. If you goal is to master cool looking techniques that is fine, but if you want to learn to fight then a mix of kickboxing (striking), judo(takedowns) and BJJ (groundfighting) is the best. The problem is each art is a full time pursuit. Many MMA gyms take a little from each of the arts to give you pressure tested techniques that work well against a broad range of fighters.

Krav maga is a mixed martial art focused on self defense and not fighting.
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The best and most successful MMA fighters all started with wrestling
Then they all learned striking and are generally very good at it
The ideal student would master wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai, and boxing
This is what the best and greatest did and are doing
You could always take a lesser path
If you have to pick one, BJJ but be prepared to get wrestle - [email protected]#$ed
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Gun-foo....?
Or Glock-jitsu. But I think something weapons based whenever possible and appropriate. I know that weapons are not always possible and appropriate, of course.

I've boxed just enough and rolled BJJ just enough to know that I'm not interested in investing more time trying to get better at either at my age. But if you are young and resilient both disciplines have good points.

I'm interested in Filipino Martial Arts, or at least the idea of it, but there are no FMA instructors close to me. Still, I wish I could try it.
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i generally concur with the combination of one striking art and one grappling art...

i personally prefer grappling since it is more sustainable in terms of sparring at 100%, folks can keep grappling well into their 50s... i train bjj personally.

striking arts are fun, but there are limitations to sparring all out... CTE isnt worth the training value. you can always work pads and bags in striking, but that only assists with conditioning and coordination (which is good, but it wont help much with reaction and unpredictable opponents).
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To old to fight. If I don't have a gun then it's a surprise knife. After that it's the most vicious, dirty, maming, eye jabbing, nose biting I can inflict. No mercy. Up to and including bone breaking neck snapping and joint dislocation. To old to care or be merciful.

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Hi McGuire, be aware Dim Mak is not a style, it is a technique to achieve a killing blow. Put it out of your mind.
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where are you reading about dim mak? As think it is BS pressure point magic system.
I thought that was "dim dak"? Ok, a quick exercise of my googlefu shows that they are the same thing.
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I STARTED boxing when I was about 5.
Kept it up through 17.
Have had a LOT of hand to hand courses.
Have instructed in police academy HTH classes
Have had judo.
Took Karate.

BUT
Nothing beats having the SIZE you need to be effective in what you do.

SO

IF you aren't bigger than the average guy, you need a type or style that does NOT let him get his hands on you.

IF

you are bigger than the average guy, then engage in something that takes advantage of your size and strength.

At one time in my life in LE I was down to 178lbs on my 6'2" frame. Taking karate, going 24/7, unbelievable condition. And I found my fights were lasting longer because I didn't have the WEIGHT to keep from being thrown around a little more. I eventually found a good working weight for LE, 220. Was in the gym a fair amount and the fights got a lot shorter.

NOW

What I found in almost 30 years of street time, whatever you learn, learn to to what you do so well you don't even think about it. I had a lot more training than the average anyone, and yet I only used about 3 or 4 moves and strikes for ALL occasions. IF you learn 30 moves..forget 27 of them and be able to use 3 of them in your sleep.

Remember fight with your strengths.. whatever they are.
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Nothing beats having the SIZE you need to be effective in what you do.
This.

If size and strength were not important there would not be weight divisions in all combat sports.

It seems that once in a great while - UFC 1 and Gracie/Shamrock comes to mind - somebody smaller has something that somebody bigger has never seen before and it all works out for the smaller man. But as soon as somebody bigger learns how to counter it and incoorporte it themselves things revert to size and strength mattering a lot.

That's why I said weapons whenever possible. But I think one of the problems with relying exclusively on weapons is accessing them at close quarters. That's when knowing some basic strikes and grappling is necessary to hopefully create some space and give you a second or two.
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The best and most successful MMA fighters all started with wrestling
Then they all learned striking and are generally very good at it
The ideal student would master wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai, and boxing
This is what the best and greatest did and are doing
You could always take a lesser path
If you have to pick one, BJJ but be prepared to get wrestle - [email protected]#$ed
100% agree
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I believe that if one is skilled in wrestling he can stand up to the best of them.
I have a grip of 175 lbs either hand. if i force it I can break bones . it is not my nature to do so . I was an undefeated wrestling champion in high school 194 lbs and maintained my strength most of my life doing heavy physical labor . I once lifted a VW rear end right wheel tire on to the side walk. for fun.
I moved boats around on their trailers in the dirt yard and in the shop .
,the draw back to all this is the damage it did in the long run . 69 years old this month and dawning my 40 lb EDC back pack is a bit of a stretch some days. but i do it every day .
It is amazing what you remember what your body use-to-could-do , don't take it for granted.
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This.

If size and strength were not important there would not be weight divisions in all combat sports.

It seems that once in a great while - UFC 1 and Gracie/Shamrock comes to mind - somebody smaller has something that somebody bigger has never seen before and it all works out for the smaller man. But as soon as somebody bigger learns how to counter it and incoorporte it themselves things revert to size and strength mattering a lot.

That's why I said weapons whenever possible. But I think one of the problems with relying exclusively on weapons is accessing them at close quarters. That's when knowing some basic strikes and grappling is necessary to hopefully create some space and give you a second or two.
I love proving bigger guys with this assumption wrong in the ring, and out of it.

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Biased, but boxing.

Applicable anywhere and even if you don't throw a punch, the movement and conditioning you will have will serve you with a weapon in hand etc.

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Absolutely! Played around with TKD when I was a kid, and Shaolin style Kung-Fu. I believe the Kopperud style (if I am spelling it right) that it all seems to have went to, is too biased toward point fighting. The Kung-Fu was more practical. But then getting into boxing was a whole different deal altogether. The accelerated learning curve of practicing to get hit, avoid, cover and deliver powerful shots far outstripped other martial arts. After I started with a good boxing gym, I was sparring within a couple weeks. Practicing against a live partner, shows you what works, what doesn't, and what you need to work on pretty fast.

Used to hang around a bit with a few pros also, who had some success. I was sparring with one of them at another gym, and the guy told me that I should spar with a black belt that was working out there. He said: "You'd kick his ***!" which was pretty funny to me. I hadn't been doing it too long, but we kind of recognized that a lot of belts just get handed out, without a practical test of fighting skill.

Whatever style it is, you're going to want to pick a gym or dojo that won't be soft. One of my boxing coaches reminded me of "Mickey" from Rocky. Just a tough old guy, who would could fashion steel hammers from marshmallows. He'd push, instruct, berate, and make you tougher after every time. And we'd spar pretty hard. Going into a fight, you'd kind of realize that it was just like sparring, just mildly harder. One of the meaner things, was having us spar, then rotating out a fresh guy on you. It was pretty awesome.
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