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For 9mm I use berrys plated 115gr RN and 4.0 grains of titegroup. It does not fill the whole case so yes there is a risk of double charges but I check every case before I seat the bullet.

Did you already have the components before this crap started? If you didnt how did you get em?
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Cabelas has some primers available.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/CCI-P...O#productChart
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I thankfully have a LGS that rations and does not price gouge.
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If you are loading for a 9mm autoloader, the cartridge headspaces on the case mouth. Therefore, it is vitally important that your cases be trimmed to the correct length, and that you use a taper crimp (not roll crimp) die to maintain the correct headspace.
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You don't need a taper or factory crimp on 9mm.
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I always thought that you need a crimp in a autoloader?
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I taper crimp my 9mm.. but *only* enough to remove the flare from the flaring stage.. no more.
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I have a question in regards to. Bluedot powder I was given load data for 8.1 grains of Bluedot powder with a 115 grain XTP seated at 1.095. Would this be a compressed load and would it be safe?
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Old post, but still relevant.

I do not know of any powders for 8 grains in a 9mm case. When you say you were given the data, what do you mean? If you didn't see it in a book or another reputable place, don't use it. I doubt you could fit 8 grains of powder in a 9mm case without distorting upon bullet seating.
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Thank you for the reply Leper and I am sorry for how long it took to get back to you. I am a new member and had problems getting back in. My SPEER manual says 7.7 to 8.5 yrs of blue dot for 115 gr xtp. However that COL won't chamber in my XD9. I had to go down to 1.095 which is slightly longer then the factory extream defense ammo I purchased. I am just not sure if blue dot would make this a compressed load or if it is safe.
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Sorry Leper the manual COL is 1.125
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Red Dot is a very bulky powder. For which reason it is popular for reduced loads in the smaller rifle cases. Hornet, .222, .223, .25-20, in strong actions.

I consider it unnecessarily fast for the 9mm. Bullseye or HP38 would be much better.

I personally like Power Pistol in 9mm. Blue Dot will work, but by the time you get the pressure you need it's a compressed load. Herco will work. Ramshot True Blue works very well. (very close to Power Pistol). Vihtavouri 3N37 should be good, but I've never tried it. All of these give you better than 50% fill, so a double charge is virtually impossible.
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In the last 2 years I have loaded 28,000 rds of 9mm in 115 JHP using 4.0 grains of Red Dot, while shooting a Glock 34 at about 1125 fps. I bought 2 8lb kegs after Newtown and just ran out in May.

In USPSA Production Division, it's a nice shooting, economical load that makes a consistent 130 Power Factor.

It will cycle most 9mm handguns, save for HK P7's.
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Looking at load data for Alliant Blue Dot powder for 9mm 115gr bullet it shows 8.5 grains.
I personally have never loaded Blue Dot so I do not know how this would work.
When loading the 9mm I always use either Hodgdon HP-38 or HS-6
HP-38 runs from low to high 4.3 to 4.8 I run midway at 4.5gr.
HS-6 runs 6.4 to 6.9 I load with 6.6grs.
I always try to load as close to the middle as I can. I never load max loads.
Best thing to do would get a loading manual instead of taking someone's recipe as fact.
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I wanted to thank all of you for your help and advice. I decided to go with tight group at 4.6 grns seated at 1.095. What are the thoughts out here about that load.
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red dot is a 'peaky' powder which mean pressure spike happens quickly with slight overcharge. stay on safe side. if primers begin to flatten back off the charge.
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i use blue dot for 9x19 personally, but also have red dot for 45.... blue dot is pretty forgiving in the pressure department and it is normal to be able to compress 9x19 loads with it.... i think i generally use 8 grains of blue dot and that brings the powder level to just maybe 0.1" or so under the top of the case, when seating the projectile you end up compressing the load a bit. they work fine in all my 9x19 firearms (cx4, g17, hk ups9)

flake powders are generally less dense then ball powders like winchester 231, so expect them to take up more case capacity then alternatives.
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Since we're reviving an old thread. I found that 4.0 gr of Red Dot behind an 115 gr round nose, is a fantastic plinking round for the range.

I was stovepiping my PX4 with the 3.7 gr, but I also suspect that it requires a hotter load because of the rotating barrel design.
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I have a question in regards to. Bluedot powder I was given load data for 8.1 grains of Bluedot powder with a 115 grain XTP seated at 1.095. Would this be a compressed load and would it be safe?
I'm running 6.3 grains of Blue Dot behind 124gr XTP with a COL of 1.05 which works fine. The lighter bullet seated a bit longer could use more powder, but I would start at under 7 and work up. Lyman's show max of 7.6 for the 115gr and it is a compressed load, I don't know that you could get 8.1 in there.

I do use 7 grains of BD with a COL of 1.10 with 115gr plated round nose for plinking.

As for any bulges in pistol ammo, I run all my pistol ammo through a Lee factory crimp die adjusted for very little crimp and it sizes the case if there is any bulge.
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