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Old 06-01-2019, 08:37 PM
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...pope-come-from
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Oh I thought you were talking about the Marxist that lives in a walled city and tells everyone else walls are evil.
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I think I'm glad I have you guys on ignore. There is a difference between a succession of miracle workers "bound on Earth" from the time of Jesus to a new power emerging 2,000 years later, the anti-Christ. But you know that. All you can do is mock, resort to personal attack any legitimate scrutiny to unsubstantiated claims.


“But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe those deeds, so that you may know and that you may believe that my Father is in me and I in my Father.”
John 10:38
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I think I'm glad I have you guys on ignore. There is a difference between a succession of miracle workers "bound on Earth" from the time of Jesus to a new power emerging 2,000 years later, the anti-Christ. But you know that. All you can do is mock, resort to personal attack any legitimate scrutiny to unsubstantiated claims.


“But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe those deeds, so that you may know and that you may believe that my Father is in me and I in my Father.”
John 10:38
Is there such a thing like "super-ignore"? Quite useful in this case .
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Oh I thought you were talking about the Marxist that lives in a walled city and tells everyone else walls are evil.
Russell Moore the "ethics" chair of the Southern Baptist Convention, lives in a gated community and does the same thing BTW.
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...pope-come-from

Eddie, total Protestant babble.

The institution of the Papacy and the unbroken line from Peter on is well documented. That guy is correct in that the early years were definitely formative, and the Heirarchy by nature would have expanded as the breadth and scope of the Church expanded as well.

If you are really interested and trying to understand why we are so sure of Jesus' designation of a leader (how many organizations do you know of that doesn't have the ultimate go-to guy?), I'd suggest poking around www.catholic.com. Catholic Answers have top notch apologists and have posted a gazillion answers to such questions. So getting info from both sides is a precursor to being able to make informed decisions, don't you think?

I'd be happy to chat after you've done a bit of further research.
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Maybe this will help Eddie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes#1st_century

Then you can scroll all the way down
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.
I think you are asking two separate questions. The Christian Church had priests and bishops from the beginning, the Bible even cites qualifications for them. The question of papal supremacy and ex-cathedral rose many, many years later.
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I think you are asking two separate questions. The Christian Church had priests and bishops from the beginning, the Bible even cites qualifications for them. The question of papal supremacy and ex-cathedral rose many, many years later.

Incorrect.
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I think you are asking two separate questions. The Christian Church had priests and bishops from the beginning, the Bible even cites qualifications for them. The question of papal supremacy and ex-cathedral rose many, many years later.
Correct!
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...pope-come-from
IMO there will never be any agreement over the Pope. The history, the priesthood, the bishops etc.

IMHO...the priority is to be respectful on both sides and treat each other in a way that glorifies Christ and recognize we are mere humans.

The alternative is to play "big-mouth religious guy" who say's he's gonna-straighten-THEM-out and cause all kinds of strife and hatred. Then claim he's called to do so by the Lord. Cause it works so very well

I know I will need mercy one day, I have no doubt. The word tells us that the same mercy we dish out will be measured back to us. I want to throw it around like confetti all I can.
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I was trying to get google to tell me when the Roman church first initiated a priesthood and its hierarchy but somehow ended up with this interesting hit.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles...pope-come-from
Great find and good link. Hats off to Eddie.
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Trog, you made me laugh. Bless you!
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The word catholic: The word catholic comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου, meaning "on the whole"

So this Priest is engaged in dishonesty to further a cult version of God's universal church known as the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC is not a church that recognizes God's church as a whole but as a human dictated organization that purports to control everything from forgiveness to freedom of worship to socialism as determined by one man called Pope.
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The first "pope" was traditionally Saint Peter. However the idea of the pope of Rome being the head of the Catholic Church was a very gradual process, that literally took centuries to evolve.

In the early days of the Church (the first century AD.) almost ANY bishop or church leader would be called "pope" (from the Roman word meaning "father"). The idea of THE Pope was unknown.

There was virtually no organization to the Church. Individual Christian groups in cities would form churches (or more like "friendly associations"), which were almost completely autonomous. There was no centralized authority governing such things as doctrine. Except for Communion and Baptism (along with preaching), there really were no established common rituals. They could do pretty-much what they wanted.

That's where all the different "heresies" (such as Gnosticism) got their start.

However the tradition that Peter had been the successor to Jesus on Earth, and that the pope of Rome was the first leader of the Church, always remained constant in Christianity. In addition, the city of Rome itself had a pre-eminence that no other cities in the Roman Empire could match.

As the Roman Empire in the West gradually weakened and eventually fell, the bishop of Rome became more and more to be considered the real authority. It was Leo I (the Great) in middle 400's that really started to assert papal leadership.

This was developed further by the efforts of Gregory I (590-614). However there were many digressions and steps-back in the development of Papal authority.

It really wasn't until after the year 1000 AD, and into the Middle Ages, that the Pope became acknowledged as the undisputed head of the Western Church. And the Papacy became the institution that we recognize today.
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The word catholic: The word catholic comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου, meaning "on the whole"

So this Priest is engaged in dishonesty to further a cult version of God's universal church known as the Roman Catholic Church. The RCC is not a church that recognizes God's church as a whole but as a human dictated organization that purports to control everything from forgiveness to freedom of worship to socialism as determined by one man called Pope.
Is it alright if I call you Catholic from now on?
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Is it alright if I call you Catholic from now on?
Not with a capital "c". I believe in the universal church worshiping God, the father; God, the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Or stated otherwise:

I believe in the catholic church worshiping God, the father; God, the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

If you believe in those 3 things with only God's Word, the Bible, and prayers to God without an intermediary then you believe in the catholic (God's universal) church.
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Not with a capital "c". I believe in the universal church worshiping God, the father; God, the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Or stated otherwise:

I believe in the catholic church worshiping God, the father; God, the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

If you believe in those 3 things with only God's Word, the Bible, and prayers to God without an intermediary then you believe in the catholic (God's universal) church.
I'm glad we are both catholics
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The papal concept is fine in religious matters pertaining to the church, but his butt crosses the line when he gets into politics. The Catholic Church's political activism does not have a stellar history.

And yes, I'm Catholic and as a nationalist Constitutionalist American, the current pope offends the hell out of me. So his "opinions" on matters outside the church can be stuffed. (location is optional)...
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