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Old 01-25-2020, 02:17 PM
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Any government entity that passes or imposes illegal gun control edicts is in violation of the law and is therefore not a legitimate lawmaking entity; it is in effect a criminal gang, and as such it has no legal authority. And the same thing applies to any who try to put their illegal edicts into effect.

It is the duty of the patriot to remove that criminal gang from power and bring the criminals to justice. This is the only way to put an end to the crime spree going on before our eyes.

We want the accused criminals to have due process, because we do not want to be lawless like they are. But a ten minute tribunal should be sufficient to determine whether or not any individual attempted to impose illegal gun control edicts on us. If a bank robber is put on trial whether or not it's ok to rob a bank is not part of the trial. The same thing applies to attempts to undermine the Constitution and disarm the American militia. All that matters is whether or not they did it.

What should be done and what can be done are not always one and the same thing. But if patriots do rise up, this is what must be done. Half-assed measures will not solve the problem.
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There is no "gun control"! Stop using their soft soap terminology. It is civilian disarmament pure and simple. Please use the correct terminology every single time. In a war of ideas, words matter.
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It doesn't have anything to do with controlling guns, its the controlling of the people/population, always has been and always will be
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Any government entity that passes or imposes illegal gun control edicts is in violation of the law and is therefore not a legitimate lawmaking entity; it is in effect a criminal gang, and as such it has no legal authority. And the same thing applies to any who try to put their illegal edicts into effect.



It is the duty of the patriot to remove that criminal gang from power and bring the criminals to justice. This is the only way to put an end to the crime spree going on before our eyes.



We want the accused criminals to have due process, because we do not want to be lawless like they are. But a ten minute tribunal should be sufficient to determine whether or not any individual attempted to impose illegal gun control edicts on us. If a bank robber is put on trial whether or not it's ok to rob a bank is not part of the trial. The same thing applies to attempts to undermine the Constitution and disarm the American militia. All that matters is whether or not they did it.



What should be done and what can be done are not always one and the same thing. But if patriots do rise up, this is what must be done. Half-assed measures will not solve the problem.
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Civilian disarmament.
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. But a ten minute tribunal should be sufficient to determine whether or not any individual attempted to impose illegal gun control edicts on us. lem.
The term your looking for is "grand jury"
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The term your looking for is "grand jury"
I rather prefer the term "firing squad" upon conviction of treason.
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I rather prefer the term "firing squad" upon conviction of treason.
You wanta follow the law, or be as bad as they are?


Scratch that:

Not what you WANT. (Want wise, I agree)
But are you going to follow the law, or break it like them?

It's like the BS claims about Obama. I disagreed with them and citing them.... Because he did PLENTY of things he should of gone to prison for.
No need to invent stories.
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You wanta follow the law, or be as bad as they are?
I don't think the problems are just elected officials. The sheep masses vote them into office and that gives them their presumptive "powers" to attack civil and personal rights they don't like. It's the nature of progressive socialists. We "patriots" are partially to blame because many sit on their fat a$$e$ and don't vote but want to scream and threaten when these new socialist and corrupt officials start pushing their agenda and ideology.

I think the greater problem is the courts. Our system is designed to prevent what is occurring in VA right now, but the courts, especially the SCOTUS have refrained from applying the Constitution to protect the rights of the citizens. Appointed judges need to be more accountable to the people, and they're not, outside of some egregious illegal activity that would put them in jail. Unfortunately not protecting the right of the people from tyrants puts them in the same boat as the tyrants.

Patriots need to get active, vote, rally and make their voices heard. I just don't think those methods are going to make much difference anymore as much as I believe in them. So, once the bear has been poked to action, they need to send a few towards the courts and clean house there as well. This isn't just about elected officials violating State and the US Constitutions, this is about the Court systems and judges not protecting those rights...they're just as culpable.

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I think the greater problem is the courts. Our system is designed to prevent what is occurring in VA right now, but the courts, especially the SCOTUS have refrained from applying the Constitution to protect the rights of the citizens. Appointed judges need to be more accountable to the people, and they're not, outside of some egregious illegal activity that would put them in jail. Unfortunately not protecting the right of the people from tyrants puts them in the same boat as the tyrants.
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I agree with your post completely. Well said,

i wanted to address the courts and SCOTUS thing, however. Until the Court step up and stop getting judges placed who have political agenda this will always be the way.

Until SCOTUS stands firm for our rights, all of them but especially the 2nd this will keep happening. Yes, we can vote and make our voice heard but the process right now is not being implemented.

SCOTUS hasn't taken up anything since 2009 (aside from the stun gun ruling with wasn't a ruling) it is about time they rule on a few to put an end to lawmakers lunacy. It's becoming tense and well, they sit on their hands and pass on any case that could show those who fail to follow the constitution that it's time they do the job and uphold the oath they swore.
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You wanta follow the law, or be as bad as they are?


Scratch that:

Not what you WANT. (Want wise, I agree)
But are you going to follow the law, or break it like them?

It's like the BS claims about Obama. I disagreed with them and citing them.... Because he did PLENTY of things he should of gone to prison for.
No need to invent stories.
I'm 100% talking about following the law. What I was pointing out is if they get convicted for treasonous crimes they should face a firing squad. It would be a good deterrent for the swamp to be held accountable like you and I are instead of being above the law.
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There is no "gun control"! Stop using their soft soap terminology. It is civilian disarmament pure and simple. Please use the correct terminology every single time. In a war of ideas, words matter.
Your point is well taken. But the meaning of the propaganda term gun control has come to be so well known, even by the low-information crowd, that even the enemy rarely uses it anymore. Now they call their disarmament schemes "gun safety" (or something else like that).

This is like using the word liberal according to its meaning in common usage, or the word gay; both of these words have a classic meaning and an entirely different meaning in liberal doublespeak. There is a legitimate question in each case over how best to deal with the enemy's use of doublespeak and loaded language. I like to use words based on their common usage, even though that usage has been bastardized by the enemy; I think that's the best way to deal with their deceptions, by using their doublespeak term against them and making clear what the word means when they use it.

I'm not saying my way is right and yours is wrong; I'm saying it's my way of dealing with it and I think one way is as good as the other, depending on how it's done. I don't think there is any question over my meaning; there is nothing in what I wrote that would make what is referred to by the enemy as gun control seem like anything but civilian disarmament. In using their propaganda term in that way I take away whatever little value it might have to them as a propaganda term, so that when the enemy uses the term gun control what their listeners hear is civilian disarmament.

But I do use the term civilian disarmament at least as often as I use the term gun control; I just thought gun control fit better in this case.

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The term your looking for is "grand jury"
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger..." Amendment 5, US Constitution [emphasis mine]

I think we can skip the grand jury process.
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All gun control laws are unconstitutional and therefore null and void. This goes all the way back to 1934. Keep that in mind when discussing current proposed laws.


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All gun control laws are unconstitutional and therefore null and void. This goes all the way back to 1934. Keep that in mind when discussing current proposed laws.


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Well said.

So the question begs asking - why do LEO enforce unconditional laws?

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Well said.

So the question begs asking - why do LEO enforce unconditional laws?

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Many reasons not all apply to all officers. For some officers it may be just one of these reasons and for others it may be multiple.

1. Itís their job.
2. They think laws are only unconstitutional if ruled unconstitutional.
3. They donít understand the constitution or our founders intent.
4. They think laws usurp the constitution, going back to number 3.
5. They support the laws that they are enforcing.
6. They donít know the history of gun control.
7. All of their peers are doing it.
8. They believe that if they donít then someone else will.
9. They donít thinks itís their place to determine constitutionality.
10. They believe that the person needs arresting for whatever reason and enforcing the unconstitutional law allows them to arrest that person.


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